EV Digest 4179
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: spoon feeding bb660's
by "Marc Michon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Nicad Disposal Options
by "John Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Those NiCads
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Toyota Lift truck for free.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Fw: [sfeva] Toyota Lift truck for free.
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Fw: [sfeva] Toyota Lift truck for free.
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Pipe dreams - 1,000 mile EV (was Re: Introduction) an' Stuff
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) BB600 nicads... any buyers in Europe?
by Richard Bebbington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: BB600 nicads... any buyers in Europe?
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) ProEV wins first Autocross of 2005
by "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Peukerts for LI-Poly (was Re: Additional outside funding)
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Prius on the Calculator
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) what is in the EVoltwagen kit.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: ProEV wins first Autocross of 2005
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Fwd: solar car, Winter test drive trial on lake Simcoe, March 13, 05 -
photo attached
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
16) RE: ProEV wins first Autocross of 2005
by "EAA-contact" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Prius on the Calculator
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
18) "Solar-powered" ElectraVan?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
19) Re: Prius on the Calculator
by John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Post disaster
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Post disaster
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Tires again
by Nick Viera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Prius on the Calculator
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
25) I-10 Surplus
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Tires again
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: 'Solar-powered' ElectraVan?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I can ask an airplane mechanic(foreman) i got some concorde sla batteries
from
were 24v 42Ah at c1 rate I couldn't score the nicads they had, 24v also
they throw them out once a year or some time schedule good or not
i can get info monday on aircraft voltage and what they do on watering
did read Tim's ebay page right?
$1 each
so for 48v 34ah i'd need 40 each? weighing 132 pounds?
2 strings can do? 48v 68ah, 264 pounds?
Marco, Fresno,CA
>I don't know what the voltage is on an aircraft, but
>I'm guessing they use enough cells to use some type of
>automated refill method.
>There should be a watering method already available
>for these, we just need to find a knowledigle source
>associated with their maintence.
>Anybody know an aeronautical engineer or technician?
>Rod
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Jay,
Do you know of analysis showing whether or not there are significant
amounts of Cadmium in the caustic? IE would it really be harmful to dump
the caustic?
What sort of process is involved in separating the metals? Is it
possible that Inmetco is making money on the cadmium and nickel, and
ripping people off by charging them for disposal?
Thanks,
John Foster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 10, 2005 2:56 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Nicad Disposal Options
Dear fellow Nicad-loving listers,
When not playing EV'er, my day job involves finding proper homes for all
sorts of garbage, so I wanted to make sure that we all know what to do
when these NiCd cells eventually die, because the cadmium that they
contain is hazardous when released into the environment, and should
never go to an incinerator or regular solid waste landfill. Unlike lead
acid batteries, the nicads do not have a positive scrap value, and there
is only one facility in the country that I know of as the ultimate
consumer of these cells; the International Metals Reclamation Company
(INMETCO) in Ellwood City, Pennsylvania.
http://www.inmetco.com/
I spoke with their rep this morning, and INMETCO will accept shipments
of dead flooded Nicads directly from individuals. The cost for
recycling is $0.45 per pound. The nickel, cadmium, and any steel
components are all recovered. The cadmium can go back into batteries
and cadmium-based pigments, and the nickel and steel winds up in
stainless steel manufacture. Plastic battery casings are commonly
recycled into the common black polypropylene lead acid battery casings,
but I'm not sure if this is 'the case' with INMETCO.
Shipments can go direct, FOB INMETCO, or to one of their three
consolidation points, 1) Wade Environmental Industries, Battery
Division, Atco, New Jersey; 2) U.S. Filter Recovery Services, Inc.,
Roseville, Minnesota; and 3) Kinsbursky Brothers Supply, Inc., Anaheim,
California. From these consolidation points the batteries are shipped to
INMETCO.
Shipping costs should not be any more than we're paying to get the cells
in the first place, because under the EPA's Universal Waste Rule,
batteries destined for recycling are not subject to most hazardous waste
transportation regulations.
When you have NiCd cells to dispose of, please contact one of the
consolidators or INMETCO directly. INMETCO requires advance approval
for inbound shipments and self-delivery, but they will accept prepayment
over the phone via credit card to simplify the transaction for
individuals.
I'm still awaiting a response from SAFT, since they also have a
recycling office. Contact info there is as follows: ... Saft America
Inc., 711 Industrial Boulevard PO Box 1886 Valdosta Georgia 31601 Tel :
(229) 247-2331
Good Luck!
Jay Donnaway
Sr. Solid Waste Policy Analyst
Oregon Dept of Environmental Quality
Land Quality Division
811 SW Sixth Avenue
Portland, OR 97204-1390
(503)229-6046
Fax: 229-6977
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deq.state.or.us
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> My experience with surplus aviation mil-spec nicads is that they use
> very little water. In the application I use mine for (powering 2 way
> radios) they use essentially no water.
>
> That makes sense if you think about it. With the number of planes,
> helicopters and such out there in the military, it would be an
> impossible maintenance burden to have to water all those millions of
> cells on a frequent basis.
Clearly you aren't familiar with military aviation maintenance
requirements. I've worked with folks that fly/maintain Predator UAVs.
Every 360 hours of operation they disasemble the motor, clean it, check
for damage/wear, and reassemble it.
Since these typically fly missions lasting 20 hours or so, it's possible
to hit the 360 hour point every three weeks.
Most jets and helicopters go a bit longer than 360 hrs, but they still end
up being stripped down several times a year. Compared to that, spending a
few minutes every month or so checking battery levels is trivial.
In fact each base has a shop full of people who specialize in battery
maintenance.
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First come first served for the chance to fix a 1974 Toyota Lift truck.
Three wheel. Massive battery. 12foot lift. The lift works and tilts. The
power steering works sometimes but the wheels no go. Said to be the big
diodes in the controller. Anyone want it in N. California. It's in San
Francisco. Free for the taking. If no one wants it I get to canibalize it
for the motors. LR..........
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
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415-821-3519
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Someone on my FreeCycle list had this lift truck for free. Anyone?
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
Hulbert
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From: Lawrence Rhodes
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Zappylist ; SFEVA
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [sfeva] Toyota Lift truck for free.
First come first served for the chance to fix a 1974 Toyota Lift truck.
Three wheel. Massive battery. 12foot lift. The lift works and tilts. The
power steering works sometimes but the wheels no go. Said to be the big
diodes in the controller. Anyone want it in N. California. It's in San
Francisco. Free for the taking. If no one wants it I get to canibalize it
for the motors. LR..........
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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Sorry, I got confused. Ignore last post.
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
Hulbert
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From: Lawrence Rhodes
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Zappylist ; SFEVA
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [sfeva] Toyota Lift truck for free.
First come first served for the chance to fix a 1974 Toyota Lift truck.
Three wheel. Massive battery. 12foot lift. The lift works and tilts. The
power steering works sometimes but the wheels no go. Said to be the big
diodes in the controller. Anyone want it in N. California. It's in San
Francisco. Free for the taking. If no one wants it I get to canibalize it
for the motors. LR..........
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
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Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
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On 9 Mar 2005 at 7:05, Roland Wiench wrote:
> They are in
> design of a proto type EV that will run with on Cobalt Batteries and 50 KW
> fuel cell that can run the vehicle or/and charge the batteries.
I believe I've heard this song before. Let's see ...
Ah, here it is. Popular Science Magazine, February 1971.
"The Voltair ... promises a real breakthrough in performance: Tri-polar lead
cobalt batteries; series-traction DC motor; solid-state control unit; a
patented fuel cell which trickle-charges the batteries at a constant rate.
"These achievements come out of many years of experimental work by Robert R.
Aronson and his company, Electric Fuel Propulsion, Inc. ...
"When can you buy a Voltair? Soon. Aronson plans to make 300 EFP Electrics
by June (1971); they'll sell for $10,000. The Voltair will come after
that."
Thirty-four years later, I'm still waiting.
I've said this many times before. Bob Aronson is one of the old-timers of
the EV business, and he deserves respect for his perseverence. But aside
from a small fleet of grossly overweight Renault conversions over 3 decades
ago, I've seen more press releases than products roll out of his shop. I'd
dearly love to see that change, and I wish him the best, but I'm not holding
my breath nor am I writing any checks to him.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Hi everyone,
I've been a bad boy.... I haven't read any of the the EVDL
digests for days....and of course now that I do sit down and
start reading through them, I find that a bunch of lucky
EV-ers have managed to score military surplus nicads!
Aaarrgghh!! That's the price of ignoring the EVDL... ;-)
I'm currently waiting for a new "toy" to arrive here,
yes, I'm the guy who bought Carl Vogel's Siemens system!
The price even with shipping is a significant saving
over buying it here in Euroland ( is that crazy or what?
Made in Germany, was shipped to USA, now is going to be
shipped to the UK! )
So Mellow Yellow is going high-voltage AC !!
Now of course this brings me to the problem of batteries.
I have 240 V worth of Dynasty PbA AGMs ( 50 Ah ), but some of them
are abused and on their way out...
And the whole lot is rather heavy. This is the same pack that was in
the truck in a 120 V buddy-paired configuration, so I know the
pack will physically fit in, but it's right at the limit of what
the little truck can handle.
240V of Exide Orbitals will also fit in, ( same weight ), I'd just
need to build a new holddown frame for them
( why do they have to be 5mm longer than Optimas??? grrr )
I've just got a nice shiny PFC30 from Rich Rudman, and so
far 13 Rudman regs. ( Rich, I may need another 7 soon!! )
So a charging system is no problem.
The question is... is anyone in Europe buying some of these
BB600 nicads? Would you like someone else to do a group buy
with ( hint ), to help reduce shipping costs?
Nicads would be a really nice addition to an AC drive system!
Richard Bebbington
electric Mini pickup
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I don't need to import i already have Saft nicad at source ;^)
Richard it would be cheaper/better for you buying true EV batteries directly
from France:
the STM5-140 (probably to heavy at 240V) are all sold out but i have a
contact for second hand healthy (each controlled by discharge/charge test
for 100Ah garanted) STM5-100MRE modules (water cooled)
asking for it you should have electrical, cooling and watering connectors
with them.
Price was about 1/4 to 1/3 new price (350 euros)
40 modules will be about 520kg for 240V 24kwh reserve at 1C discharge, even
with half life on them (certainly more) still about 1000 cycles at 50% DOD.
With an "heavy foot" 240wh/km your range should still be a strong 100km :^)
contact me off list for more details.
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Richard Bebbington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:17 PM
Subject: BB600 nicads... any buyers in Europe?
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've been a bad boy.... I haven't read any of the the EVDL
> digests for days....and of course now that I do sit down and
> start reading through them, I find that a bunch of lucky
> EV-ers have managed to score military surplus nicads!
> Aaarrgghh!! That's the price of ignoring the EVDL... ;-)
>
> I'm currently waiting for a new "toy" to arrive here,
> yes, I'm the guy who bought Carl Vogel's Siemens system!
> The price even with shipping is a significant saving
> over buying it here in Euroland ( is that crazy or what?
> Made in Germany, was shipped to USA, now is going to be
> shipped to the UK! )
>
> So Mellow Yellow is going high-voltage AC !!
>
> Now of course this brings me to the problem of batteries.
> I have 240 V worth of Dynasty PbA AGMs ( 50 Ah ), but some of them
> are abused and on their way out...
> And the whole lot is rather heavy. This is the same pack that was in
> the truck in a 120 V buddy-paired configuration, so I know the
> pack will physically fit in, but it's right at the limit of what
> the little truck can handle.
>
> 240V of Exide Orbitals will also fit in, ( same weight ), I'd just
> need to build a new holddown frame for them
> ( why do they have to be 5mm longer than Optimas??? grrr )
>
> I've just got a nice shiny PFC30 from Rich Rudman, and so
> far 13 Rudman regs. ( Rich, I may need another 7 soon!! )
> So a charging system is no problem.
>
> The question is... is anyone in Europe buying some of these
> BB600 nicads? Would you like someone else to do a group buy
> with ( hint ), to help reduce shipping costs?
> Nicads would be a really nice addition to an AC drive system!
>
> Richard Bebbington
> electric Mini pickup
>
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Hi EV Listers,
ProEV's Kokam powered Electric Imp has won it's first two autocrosses.
The first autocross wasn't perfect. We were stuck in a class with no
oppersition and we only completed two runs.
The second race was better. They classified us as D modified and we had
some ICE Cars to beat up on! I managed an entertaining spin on the first run
but eventually did a respectable time.
Write-ups are on the website.There are also Amp, RPM, Torque, Voltage
graphs from the first autocross and In-car videos from the second.
Have fun,
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Peukerts for LI-Poly (was Re: Additional outside funding)
Hi All;
This posting, buried in Nicad 600 postings , maybe THAT'S why it went by
sorta unnoticed. Seems that Victor is on to a good thing with Ultra Caps to
smooth out current surges, help you with the Peukart effect. Are these
things affordable, sounds like EVery EV could pack some away aboard, since
they don't need any maintenence, can mount in any dry position.Last the life
of the car. Gees! What more could ya want? OK what are the downsides? Cost?
Made with Unobtainium? Are these capaciter(s) very voltage fussy? Sounds
like an answer to an EV'ers dream. 16.7F 400 volt Cap. How much, and size,
weight? Vic, do ya sell these?
Seeya
Bob
> I can second that statement about ultracaps. They do make critical
> difference in the car behavior during accelerations (and regen braking
> in my case) taking all the current abuse. LiIons happily supply steady
> average current well below their max rating (about 30A come out
> of my cells in my case in steady city driving on flat).
> With 140A hard accelerations 100A come from ultracaps and 40A from
> LiIons.
>
> As an advantages of ultracaps vs boost lead pack:
>
> They don't need charging infrastructure,
> They don't care about the temp (helped me this winter immensely)
> Life time many times over car's life time.
>
> I see ultracaps as permanent part of the car like drive system,
> not a disposable item as a battery.
>
> Driving with 16.7F 400V capacitor for over a year now. Love it.
>
> --
> Victor
> '91 ACRX - something different
>
> Jukka Järvinen wrote:
>
> > And with proper super cap with lion cell youll get it all out nicely.
> > With out much performance degration in the low SOC area. At least in EV
> > use. This will also help lions to survive much longer in EV.
> >
> > I have fallen love with these Lions... Driving EV with them is keeping
> > my Grin on constantly......
> >
> >
> > -Jukka
> > fevt.com
> >
>
>
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Where is your version of the calculator again?
At 07:52 PM 3/11/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another post that didn't show up:
I have added the 2004 Prius to the EV Calculator, but since it has a CVT, the
ratios are approximate, with 4th gear as a 1:1 input. Any other data would be
appreciated.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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This kit would make a wicked three wheeler based on a bug rear end.
The kit you are asking about contains just the bare-bones essentials, which
is as follows: Motor/plate adapter,20' of #00ga wire with crimp lugs,
ALLTRAX controller model#4855, 0-5k pot box, amp meter with shunt(50 mv at
500 amps),0-50vdc volt meter,12 volt 200 amp(continuous) contactor (500amp
rupture), and a complete wiring diagram.
http://www.alltraxinc.com/old/prod06.htm This is the Controller.
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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Good job Cliff - Congratulations - especially against modified ICE cars!
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of ProEV
Sent: March 12, 2005 5:14 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: ProEV wins first Autocross of 2005
Hi EV Listers,
ProEV's Kokam powered Electric Imp has won it's first two autocrosses.
The first autocross wasn't perfect. We were stuck in a class with no
oppersition and we only completed two runs.
The second race was better. They classified us as D modified and we had
some ICE Cars to beat up on! I managed an entertaining spin on the first run
but eventually did a respectable time.
Write-ups are on the website.There are also Amp, RPM, Torque, Voltage
graphs from the first autocross and In-car videos from the second.
Have fun,
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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Not sure if I got this from this list so all those who are interested can check
it out.
----- Forwarded message from Marcelo da Luz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -----
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:32:19 -0500
From: Marcelo da Luz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Marcelo da Luz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: solar car, Winter test drive trial on lake Simcoe, March 13, 05 -
photo attached
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
Greetings from solar car land to announce its long awaited arrival.
This Sunday (March 13th) between 12:00 and 14:00 I'll be taking the solar car
for a spin on Lake Simcoe, by the marina near the ferry to Georgina Island.
To get there from Toronto, take hwy 48 to Virginia, turn left on Virginia blvd,
turn right at the end, you will see the Marina on the left side.
To my knowledge this will be the first time ever someone dare to drive a solar
car on ice. So, we called it "Ice Event". We are pushing the envelope of what
XOF1 stands for. As you can imagine the bellow freezing temperature alone
presents a great challenge to any electric vehicle. Now, ad low light
conditions of the winter months and an ice road (Frozen lake) and you got a
recipe for an incredible challenge for any vehicle.
This first drive will be a trial test drive to learn more about the XOF1 solar
car, the car won't be painted nor have any markings at this time. The official
"Ice Event' will be scheduled to take place a couple of weeks later, weather
permitting.
Hope to see you there.
Kindest regards,
Marcelo da Luz
The Power of One, solar car project
Ph. (416) 465 9459, Mobile (416) 834 0788
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website: www.xof1.com
"inspired by the sun, motivated by the environment"
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Hello,
Greetings from solar car land to announce its long awaited arrival.
This Sunday (March 13th) between 12:00 and 14:00 I'll be taking the solar car
for a spin on Lake Simcoe, by the marina near the ferry to Georgina Island.
To get there from Toronto, take hwy 48 to Virginia, turn left on Virginia blvd,
turn right at the end, you will see the Marina on the left side.
To my knowledge this will be the first time ever someone dare to drive a solar
car on ice. So, we called it "Ice Event". We are pushing the envelope of what
XOF1 stands for. As you can imagine the bellow freezing temperature alone
presents a great challenge to any electric vehicle. Now, ad low light
conditions of the winter months and an ice road (Frozen lake) and you got a
recipe for an incredible challenge for any vehicle.
This first drive will be a trial test drive to learn more about the XOF1 solar
car, the car won't be painted nor have any markings at this time. The official
"Ice Event' will be scheduled to take place a couple of weeks later, weather
permitting.
Hope to see you there.
Kindest regards,
Marcelo da Luz
The Power of One, solar car project
Ph. (416) 465 9459, Mobile (416) 834 0788
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website: www.xof1.com
"inspired by the sun, motivated by the environment"
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Cliff, May the EAA Current EVents have permission to reprint the results from
the latest autocross results posted on your website? Thanks,Ed ThorpeCE
Publication Committee"Spare the air everyday, drive electric."Email: [EMAIL
PROTECTED] On Sat 03/12, ProEV < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:From: ProEV
[mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:14:23
-0500Subject: ProEV wins first Autocross of 2005 Hi EV Listers,ProEV's Kokam
powered Electric Imp has won it's first two autocrosses.The first autocross
wasn't perfect. We were stuck in a class with nooppersition and we only
completed two runs.The second race was better. They classified us as D modified
and we hadsome ICE Cars to beat up on! I managed an entertaining spin on the
first runbut eventually did a respectable time.Write-ups are on the
website.There are also Amp, RPM, Torque, Voltagegraphs from the first autocross
and In-car videos from the second.Have fun,Cliffwww.ProEV.com
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<< Where is your version of the calculator again? >>
http://www.geocities.com/hempev/EVCalculator.html
Motor and battery pages link from there - any input appreciated.
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This is not what I envisioned when I read the term "solar-powered EV", but you
might get enogh charge for 10mi a day in the summer. Wouldn't work well on
Lawrence's ElectraVan in cloudy SF, and probably not something you'd want to
drive at freeway speeds! Currently nearing $5K
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At 11:11 AM 3/12/2005, you wrote:
<< Where is your version of the calculator again? >>
http://www.geocities.com/hempev/EVCalculator.html
Motor and battery pages link from there - any input appreciated.
How about adding Dual motor configurations for the Zilla's? (Also, some
hints on cross referencing motor model #'s to the common mentioned "8 inch
ADC", etc...)
I would really like to find good numbers for a Ford F-250 drag and area.
Using the current "non aero small truck", and increasing the frontal area
to 30 sq ft gives some interesting numbers.
240v of T-145's and a Z2k)
Range at 10mph is over 1400 miles!
Only 140 miles at 60mph though.
Would also be nice if there was some indication in the resulting charts to
indicate that the column is over-reving the motor.
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Peter,
I went by the Surplus place today and it is empty! just some 55 gal metal drums
and the building. I talked to somebody down the road who has a off road buggy
business and he said that the owner died a couple months ago and the wife never
really liked the business and sold all the merchandize. No word as to who. So
that's it for the used nicads, connectors and boxes that were there.
Rush
Tucson AZ
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> At a $1 a piece for interconnects, it would be cheaper to buy the used
> NiCad batteries packs at I-10 surplus. Pull the cells out and store them
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I melted the Negative most post on the pack of US 125's. I had a small vice
grip with me and I unscrewed everything and viced it into place and then
reused the bolt to get home. I've heard the post can be replaced. Should I
contact the US battery rep? I also need to find out what caused it. I had
the contact points down solid??? The Electravan has very small connectors.
Maybe I should upgrade.
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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Had a recent melt down at work.
Golf cart repair tech came out and drilled a small hole in the left overs of a
melted post. Then drove a self tapping screw with a replacement lug on it. Melt
down occurred due to loose cable which became over heated during charging.
Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I melted the Negative most post on
the pack of US 125's. I had a small vice
grip with me and I unscrewed everything and viced it into place and then
reused the bolt to get home. I've heard the post can be replaced. Should I
contact the US battery rep? I also need to find out what caused it. I had
the contact points down solid??? The Electravan has very small connectors.
Maybe I should upgrade.
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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Hi,
I'm ready to buy new tires for my Jeep, as the one's I have now are
rated 1874 lbs. @ 35 PSI and always look under inflated even though I
have them at ~37 PSI.
I'm considering Pirelli Scorpion STR A tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=Scorpion+STR+A&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=275R5SCORSTROWLXL&fromCompare1=yes
The reason why I'm thinking of using these is because they have a max
rating of 2094 lbs. @ 50 PSI. I've noticed that most tires in my size
(P225/75/R15) are rated to 35 PSI, and few in the 44-50 max PSI range.
I'm under the assumption that having a tire with a higher max pressure
is a good thing (I can pump them up higher for less rolling resistance)?
There was talk recently about using tires that have a certain type of
belt (poly?). The description for these Pirelli tires says:
"Scorpion STR tires feature twin, high- tensile steel belts reinforced
with polyamide to provide strength and durability on top of a two-ply
polyester cord body that helps cushion the ride."
So does the composition of these tires sound ok? It would stink to buy
new tires that have worse rolling resistance than my current ones.
I also am still looking at the Toyo 800 ultra tires that Roger and
others mentioned a while back, but they are rated 1874 lbs. (and I think
44 PSI). Wouldn't the Pirelli tires with the higher load and pressure
rating be better?
Thanks,
--
-Nick
http://Go.DriveEV.com/
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
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> How about adding Dual motor configurations for the Zilla's? (Also, some
> hints on cross referencing motor model #'s to the common mentioned "8 inch
> ADC", etc...)
Have no idea how to change the javascript to allow multiple motors, so I'm open
to suggestion. As for cross-referencing, the motor page needs to get some of
that info.
> I would really like to find good numbers for a Ford F-250 drag and area.
> Using the current "non aero small truck", and increasing the frontal area
> to 30 sq ft gives some interesting numbers.
> 240v of T-145's and a Z2k)
> Range at 10mph is over 1400 miles!
> Only 140 miles at 60mph though.
I don't have much data on large trucks and cars, since they aren't the most
common choices in terms of efficiency, so you've got to plug in those values
yourself.
> Would also be nice if there was some indication in the resulting charts to
> indicate that the column is over-reving the motor.
The top speed section is as close to an over-rev column as I can get.
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Wow, that sucks. That place was a Mecca since George Radkliff up here in Phx
died. Makes you kind of wonder tho, who "renders" out the salvage guys, lol.
I just did an estate cleanup of a guy that worked for an electronics company
here in town, saw a lot of me in that place. Scary. Componants, test
equipment and goodies all over the place. Anyway, not quite the end for AC
starting Nicads in AZ tho, I still have a few hundred to sell as soon as I
have the time to sort and check them. The ones Tim is selling are the best
deal out there right now on aircraft nicads, would advise stocking up.
David Chapman
Arizona Electropulsion / Fine-Junque
http://stores.ebay.com/theworldoffinejunque
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From: "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: BB-600 Nicad Cells - connectors
> Peter,
>
> I went by the Surplus place today and it is empty! just some 55 gal metal
drums and the building. I talked to somebody down the road who has a off
road buggy business and he said that the owner died a couple months ago and
the wife never really liked the business and sold all the merchandize. No
word as to who. So that's it for the used nicads, connectors and boxes that
were there.
>
> Rush
> Tucson AZ
>
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> From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
> > At a $1 a piece for interconnects, it would be cheaper to buy the used
> > NiCad batteries packs at I-10 surplus. Pull the cells out and store
them
>
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I also am still looking at the Toyo 800 ultra tires that Roger and
others mentioned a while back, but they are rated 1874 lbs. (and I
think 44 PSI). Wouldn't the Pirelli tires with the higher load and
pressure rating be better?
Pressure and load ratings have little to do with rolling resistance.
I have heard from Goodyear that it is generally better to run at
about 50% rated load for the tire, and of course higher pressure in a
given tire will roll better but the ratings are not significant. A
great tire at 35 psi will outperform a bad tire at 45 psi.
What you are looking for is a tire that has Silca in the compound.
Usually these have makings on the sidewall that say "Saves Fuel" and
"Low Co2 emissions" or some such.
This may be helpful as well:
At 4:06 PM -0600 7-25-03, Michael Hoskinson wrote:
Goodyear Integrity
Michelin MXV4+
Michelin X-One
Toyo Ultra 800
I called Michelin a while ago and they said that their LRR tires
have their so-called XSE technology. Those are the two models that
have XSE.
When I was researching tires for the D, I also contacted Toyo and
they confirmed that the Ultra-800's were their lowest RR tire. Of
course, it is impossible to get comparisons between brands, except
that I noticed in a recent Consumer Reports that they are starting
to include rolling resistance in their evaluations.
I do not think that there is a direct correlation between rolling
resistance and treadwear. Bridgestone Potenza RE-92, for example,
are very low RR but are notorious for wearing out. The ones on my
Insight are nearly finished at 70K km (42K miles). Great for fuel
consumption, lousy for traction and any other measure of handling.
I was tempted to get the Goodyears or Toyos, but ended up with
Michelin X-One's for sentimental reasons: French tires for a French
car... sorry, 'Freedom' car.
Hope this helps
--
-Otmar-
http://www.CafeElectric.com/ Home of the Zilla.
http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
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> This is not what I envisioned when I read the term "solar-powered EV", but
> you
> might get enogh charge for 10mi a day in the summer. Wouldn't work well on
> Lawrence's ElectraVan in cloudy SF, and probably not something you'd want
> to
> drive at freeway speeds! Currently nearing $5K
>
>
10 miles a day is perhaps optimistic.
Given the details in the listing, I'd be surprise if it gets much more
than 12 AH a day charging on just solar power. Assuming the standard 90%
columbmetric (sp?) effeciency, this works out to about 10-11 amps useable
power at 108V nominal...
maybe 4 miles?
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Damn! Well my guess is that it got sold to someone else in Tucson or
Phoenix, there was a LOT of stuff there, motors, generators, trucks, etc.
typical government surplus junk.
Wouldn't be cost effective to hual it very far, at least not for another
junk dealer.
> Peter,
>
> I went by the Surplus place today and it is empty! just some 55 gal metal
> drums and the building. I talked to somebody down the road who has a off
> road buggy business and he said that the owner died a couple months ago
> and the wife never really liked the business and sold all the merchandize.
> No word as to who. So that's it for the used nicads, connectors and boxes
> that were there.
>
> Rush
> Tucson AZ
>
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> From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>> At a $1 a piece for interconnects, it would be cheaper to buy the used
>> NiCad batteries packs at I-10 surplus. Pull the cells out and store
>> them
>
>
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