EV Digest 4221
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Finally...the 200sx 0-60 time
by Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: GE Motor specs? GE control spec
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Monaco EVS-21
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Let's cut each other some slack, OK?
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: The Business, am' Stuff
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Monaco EVS-21
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Invitation to EVProduction Group
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Starting a EV production group.
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: New To Group
by "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: New To Group
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Glider source
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Invitation to EVProduction Group
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Invitation to EVProduction Group
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Finally...the 200sx 0-60 time
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: New To Group
by "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Let's cut each other some slack, OK?
by "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: [force_ev] E-10 pick up for sale.
by Tom Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Intellectual property
by "Mark Thomasson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: New To Group
by "Don Buckshot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Intellectual property
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Headlight Questions
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Next step for Sunrise discussion, new company formation
by Mark Dodrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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...faster than it was *before* the conversion, i.e. right before. It
had 204k miles on it! It was not in tip-top shape. When I first
purchased it when I was 16 (10 years ago), it had 140k miles on it. I
timed about 8 seconds 0-60, but who can trust a 16 year old? The road
had an incline - in my favor :)
I wish I lived by Otmar or Plasma Boy. I can't imagine what it feels
like to go 0-60 in 5 - 6 seconds. That must be one awesome ride! I've
never been in anything very fast.
-Ryan
*de-lurk*
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:35:24 -0700, Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
By the way - 12.48 is faster than the turbocharged 4-banger was before
the conversion!! Fun!
Umm... are you sure? 12.48 is an OK 0-60 time for a middle-of-the-road
electric, or econobox petrol, but a turbo 200sx would do it in more
like 6 - 7 seconds. Possibly you're thinking of quarter-mile times? In
that case 12.48 would be half a second quicker than White Zombie...
Congrats on getting the 200sx on the road, though. I wish I had an
electric car, no matter what 0-100 time.
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Howdy,
I have the Sep-Ex control schematics etc at home from when i was doing
classes in Puerto Rico for GE-EV. They had quite a bit of margin 1.5X as I
recall on the armature fets. I can't remember the particulars right now but
when pricing the TO-247's vs TO-220's the TO-247's came out ahead on pricing
due to lass components used and ease of mounting. I added a torque-stop
wrench to manufacturing to get consistency in mounting all those fets which
was a reliability issue. The field fets on the club car & yamaha controls
had some marginal shoot through (H-bridge) so I put 4 1n4148 diodes in
parallel with the gate resistors to widen the dead time but they didn't want
to spend the 8c per unit. (I was getting ready for Monaco so I haven't
looked at my email.)
Have a nice day, Mark
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From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: GE Motor specs? GE control spec
> They use STW60N10 FET's in the 48V version.
> That's 18 FET's in parallel with Rds on of 25mOhm max.
> They may have done life testing on the control at the
> customers specified current limit of 600A and found it
> passed with flying colors. Later, another customer or
> a higher capacity truck required more current so they
> life tested it again at the 740Amps and it passed
> again with thermal margin in a 40C ambient.
> They may have made other improvements in the gate
> drive circuit and found switching losses were lower,
> so they could increase current limit with the same
> losses.
> All speculation, but I would trust the published
> rating assuming they still do life cycle testing like
> they did when I worked there.
> Mark Hanson probably knows, I'm sure he was there when
> the SX600 power base was developed.
> Rod
> --- "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It gets even more interesting when I look at the
> > controllers. I have
> > several of these controllers and some are marked 600
> > amps @ 48 volts,
> > but others are marked 740 amps @ 48 volts. I took
> > them apart and the
> > fet's are the same number, What could be different
> > other than programming?
> > Mike G.
> >
> > Lee Hart wrote:
> >
> > >M.G. wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>I forgot to mention this motor is a separately
> > excited motor.
> > >>The fields have approx ten times the windings and
> > use 1/10 the
> > >>current as a series wound motor.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >That is even better!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Howdy, Is anyone else going to the www.evs21.org ? If so we can hook up. I'm
going to do my annual volunteer report and stay April 2 - 9th.
Mark E. Hanson
184 Vista Lane
Fincastle, VA 24090
540-473-1248-H
540-563-2000x290-W (8-4:30est)
www.solectrol.com dc/dc converters, wind, solar
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John de Armond is one of the reasons I read this list
he is his electrical knowledge is impressive and his
politics are just as enjoyable as everyone else's if
you don't like what he says use your delete option and
move on but definitely do not ban him, we would all
loose a valuable contributor to this list.
snip attacks from you will
> notice that he is talking
> about the public perception of a significant part of
> the population
> (something near 1/2 if elections are any
> indication.)
>
> I find that this list is *very* quick to attack
> opinions to the right and
> quite slow to remind list memebers to keep in line
> when they veer into
> politics on the left. This creates an artificial EV
> enviroment that does not
> refect the greater public opinion of our EVs.
>
> Perhaps if this list didn't spend so much time
> bumping into politics his
> forays into them would be grounds for removal.
> However, he is far from the
> only example.
>
>
>
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Hi Bill;
You make alota good points. I don't directly remember, at Tony's about a
lawyer, but there COULD have been, I have a lawyer friend but he isn't into
cooperatative law. You need a specialist. That's why I threw out my plea or
query on the List. As for me, I almost would give Jerry Dycus an order for
HIS 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED], IF 10 OTHER Listers would to. Not that I'm crazy about
3
wheelers, but getting SOMETHING into production!! If Jerry had a poz cash
flow, he could do a 4 wheeler, down the road. EVerybody bandying about the
Sunrise. I CALLED Solectria today, they aren't DOING anything. They refered
me to as guy that "Would" get back to me. Still waiting, but not holding my
breath.I think that Solectria might open to a SERIOUS offer, Jay Leno?
Somebody with deep pockets, Chinese Govt?Paul Newman,Guy that bought the
Tango, or some of his buddies when he duz the party circuit in Hollywood.
People Mag would slather pix on their new issue of So an' So in his new
Electric car, would get the details all wrong, but it might peek a buncha
Joe Sixpacks interest.
Getting EVerybody to agree on a car to produce, or even convert, is
enough of a challenge. Steve Clunn has the right idea on that. As he makes
conversions on command, he finds out which cars to do. Grassroots EV, he
makes good sense, and can offer support to anybody else in Ft Pierce area of
FLA, with an EV. Like if White Planes NY had Tony on retainer to call him,
and say" Come fix it, charger isn't charging" He could have made a long
distance service call, and fixed ALL their vehicles. They would still be
EVing, good thing in these ga$ daze. I'm sure that the're is a sour taste in
WP's mind." We spent ALL that money on EV's, they died ,and we sold them at
a big loss" Haven't found out WHO bought them, no Listers have "Fessed" up,
that I know of? But they went high, 4800Bux for the Force, 2500 for the
Rangers, 150 each for the rather beat Cushman 3 wheelers. Nobody wants EV's?
They got ten bidders! We were , Tony and I, that nobody would care, and they
would go cheap, like school districts selling off good school buses @ 150
bux each, drive it home! Only one bidder. Tony has a storage issue, but I
coulda put them all up at my place. I have a backlog of projects for now.
The 87 Sentra, a Jetta, a Sundance, needing finishing up, setting myself up
like Steve Clunn, ready to do conversions, Grass Roots EV's North, if ya
will. Dave Cover has that in mind, too.
I guess it will be one-car-at-a-time, we might find Listers that would
actually BUY a clean conversion? That beat Rabbit that Mark Hastings had
found a home quick! With a Lister, EVen! But it went for about 5-700 bux, a
steal as ther motor was worth it, and a Cursit thrown in too. DRIVE it about
a bit,crappy batteries, though, before driving it on the trailer! IF he
found a clean Rabbit to transfer the electricals to. Take a train or Fly
down to Phoenix, buy a clean one drive it home, go from there. Dennis sez
that there are plenty, where it doesn't rain, much<g>! Or snow. If Feel Good
Cars can dig Renault Douphenes up to convert, in significent nunbers,
Rabbits, early Golfs, like Tony did for his wife, with the older Golf. Made
her a turnkey thing. "Honey, plugitin when ya get home!" Six inch motor! 96
volts of floodies.It ran fine. Raptur controller.Lotas of Jettas about in
CT.What EVer happened to Feel Good,OK I looked, the Zenn car is another NEV,
Sigh!, now? I like the Riker-Zytec better IF they can get any here to these
shores?They'll keep up with traffic.
The trucks are a good way to go. I would like to mention the University
of New Haven's slick pickup conversion. They got a VW rear end from a later
Old Beetle, independent suspension, put that in their truck rear end, so it
dodn't hafta SUPPORT the trucks weight, but drove through the VW gears.
motor hanging out the back, leaving all that amidships real estate for
batteries, no batteries in the bed HERE! They trot it out for Tour De Sol,
but it Hides in New Haven the rest of the time. Sigh! They did a Waylandian
neatness job on it, though!I made it up to Tony's last weak, NOBODY else
showed up! My work schedule wipes out Sat as a day to go to meetings.
Seeya some was else.
Bob
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: The Business
>
> Hi Bob,
> Wasn't there a short lawyer that attended our meetings at Tony's up to
about a year or two ago. Did he move out of town or just stop attending
??
> Tango is a very small two seater on four wheels that may have it place,
but is way too much money and even the future less expensive Foxtrot may
also be too much money for a two seater that would be cost competitive with
others such as the Toyota Prius $ 27K now with all the bells and whistles.
> A successful three wheeler would probably need to be at least a two seat
inline commuter or possibly a three seater of two in front and one in back
as the Sparrow proved a single seater is not the way of the force.
> Too bad there isn't a structural engineer or even a recent graduate
engineer with experience designing cars for crashing.
> Tom Hanks is involved with electrifying the boxy SCIONs.
> We may need at least three alternatives to make one a success.
> A three wheel two or three seater, a four wheel two or three seater, and
> a four wheel four or five seater, but the question becomes do you need a
car, van, pickup truck, or a car that can convert to a pickup truck ?
> We really need a matrix of all options for starters.
> Menlo Park III,
> Bill
>
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From: "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:50 AM
Subject: Monaco EVS-21
Howdy, Is anyone else going to the www.evs21.org ? If so we can hook up.
I'm going to do my annual volunteer report and stay April 2 - 9th.
Mark E. Hanson
184 Vista Lane
Fincastle, VA 24090
540-473-1248-H
540-563-2000x290-W (8-4:30est)
www.solectrol.com dc/dc converters, wind, solar
Hi Mark;
Great! Bon Voyage! Do drop a few notes, impressions etc back to the List.
Hope there are some BEV's still, that it isn't all Fool Sells etc.Bill
Moore , ya going, too?
Envey envey
Seeya
Bob
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Hi Everyone.
This is to announce the formation of the
EVProduction Group to get EV's on the road by
encouraging, helping EV production to get started.
It's obvious that the Auto companies are not
going to do it so we must do it ourselves.
If you are tired of the status quo and want
to help get this going, please join the group below.
You can access the group's web features using the
link below.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EVProduction/
Thank you,
Jerry Dycus
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Hi All,
As Lee said, all we would do here is talk about
it and get nothing done so since no one else has, I
decided to get something going so we can actually
sometime in the future get good production, reasonably
priced EV's made.
While I would love to get together for some
conferences but that seems impractical given the
distances between us and the many times it would have
to happen.
My idea is to start a club and maybe later
start a corp to start up EV production lines of
several different types as no one EV can fit everyone.
Those wanting to make proposals are welcome and
encouraged. All will get a fair hearing and voted on
by the members.
While I will make proposals and why I didn't want
to be the one starting this, the idea here is to look
at all avenues to get EV's on the roads from open
source, kits to turn-key EV's. EV business's
proposals are welcome and encouraged.
This will be open to everyone who wants to both
help and make it happen.
Thanks to a friend there is now a website for
these people who want to make this happen to gather
and start this process going with concrete goals to
get things done.
It will be a list of doers, not talkers as we
have already done that.
It will be a dues based club and those joining
should be ready for that. Dues will be less than the
EAA's and they will be used to put EV's into
production. They will be spent only on agreement of
the group by vote.
So for those who really want to get EV's into
production and willing to help make it happen, please
join.
An invitation will be sent shortly.
Thank you,
Jerry Dycus
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Thanks Bob Bath & Others too!
Bob, I enjoyed the ppt presentation.
I have been sucking up the info like crazy. Interestingly I am also a
teacher and work in a vocational career center with a lot of resouces and
resourceful people. MO as always is behind the curve in alternative
technology and at the License bureau the other day I got a blank stare when
I asked how EV's are licensed.
My best neighbor friend is going to take me to the auto auction where
hopefully I can find a good donor car. He tells me one's with blown
engines, oil puddlers, etc. with nice bodys are available cheap, so we will
see what happens.
In my case I am able to fabricate or weld most of the metal hardware, have
the advantage of a body shop (which I will avoid by getting a better car)
and my background in EE will certainly be an asset.
---------------Questions---------------
A question for Bob....is there a motor adaptor premade for the 92-95 Civic
or would I need to get one machined? I really like these cars and believe
my wife would as well. (have to keep her happy)
A question for anyone.....How do you get the AC to run? I notice some cars
have it. It would seem to me even a double-shaft drive motor would not
maintain enough speed to keep the compressor running adequately. Other
methods would seem power hungry.
Also to anyone. I have a good source for marine deep cycle batteries.
Electro battery is near where I live. I can get some Deep cycles in 105 or
better AH. Is anyone using these? I haven't run the math (will do when
time comes) since I haven't picked the car, motor, etc, yet, so I am looking
for experience, cost, lifespan, and so on with the various types of batts.
My driving is going to average no more than 20-25 miles per day, mostly
local.
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The wiring and other issues seem simple enough, and I have pulled enough
wiring diagrams and tech specs on a lot of the hardware already to determine
that won't be a problem. Another friend works for a large industrial motor
company in STL, and is going to see if he can hook me up with an Advanced 8"
So I am pretty much in the acquiring stage at this time, both info and as
things develop, the parts.
Thanks all!
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From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: New To Group
Welcome to the group!
My thing happens to be '92-95 Civics. High GVWR,
cute, airbag & safe roll cage, and they lend
themselves to going to electric rather nicely for a
few reasons; low cost donor vehicles/age being one of
them.
If you choose this model, I have an online journal
which would save you many hours of brainstorming
www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html and click
the link at the bottom.
I can also provide a video for $12 incl. S&H that
would be well worth it.
Best of luck with your project!
'92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
____
__/__|__\ __
=D-------/ - - \
'O'-----'O'-'
Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering
wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
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Have you been watching the recent posts that one of the EVDL members is
selling his electric truck in the Kansas City area? $12,000 is not much
more than what you'd be spending one a conversion anyway, probably.
Bill Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Ward
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:49 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: New To Group
Thanks Bob Bath & Others too!
Bob, I enjoyed the ppt presentation.
I have been sucking up the info like crazy. Interestingly I am also a
teacher and work in a vocational career center with a lot of resouces and
resourceful people. MO as always is behind the curve in alternative
technology and at the License bureau the other day I got a blank stare when
I asked how EV's are licensed.
My best neighbor friend is going to take me to the auto auction where
hopefully I can find a good donor car. He tells me one's with blown
engines, oil puddlers, etc. with nice bodys are available cheap, so we will
see what happens.
In my case I am able to fabricate or weld most of the metal hardware, have
the advantage of a body shop (which I will avoid by getting a better car)
and my background in EE will certainly be an asset.
---------------Questions---------------
A question for Bob....is there a motor adaptor premade for the 92-95 Civic
or would I need to get one machined? I really like these cars and believe
my wife would as well. (have to keep her happy)
A question for anyone.....How do you get the AC to run? I notice some cars
have it. It would seem to me even a double-shaft drive motor would not
maintain enough speed to keep the compressor running adequately. Other
methods would seem power hungry.
Also to anyone. I have a good source for marine deep cycle batteries.
Electro battery is near where I live. I can get some Deep cycles in 105 or
better AH. Is anyone using these? I haven't run the math (will do when
time comes) since I haven't picked the car, motor, etc, yet, so I am looking
for experience, cost, lifespan, and so on with the various types of batts.
My driving is going to average no more than 20-25 miles per day, mostly
local.
----------------------------------------
The wiring and other issues seem simple enough, and I have pulled enough
wiring diagrams and tech specs on a lot of the hardware already to determine
that won't be a problem. Another friend works for a large industrial motor
company in STL, and is going to see if he can hook me up with an Advanced 8"
So I am pretty much in the acquiring stage at this time, both info and as
things develop, the parts.
Thanks all!
---- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: New To Group
> Welcome to the group!
> My thing happens to be '92-95 Civics. High GVWR,
> cute, airbag & safe roll cage, and they lend
> themselves to going to electric rather nicely for a
> few reasons; low cost donor vehicles/age being one of
> them.
> If you choose this model, I have an online journal
> which would save you many hours of brainstorming
> www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html and click
> the link at the bottom.
> I can also provide a video for $12 incl. S&H that
> would be well worth it.
> Best of luck with your project!
>
> '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
> ____
> __/__|__\ __
> =D-------/ - - \
> 'O'-----'O'-'
> Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering
> wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
>
>
>
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I think Steve has really hit upon a VERY important point. Most of us, as ev
converters, can take care of our own cars, we also have this list, as well as
other sources, as backup for info and advice. But the new owner who just wants
to support the 'cause', just wants to drive the EV and boast to his friends
about driving a zero emissions car has nothing. What happens if it breaks down?
I think Steve's idea of having a friendly EV repair man in your city/town is a
great idea. If somehow the 'group' that manufactures the new 'sunrise' could
have a 'certification' course where the person would become an 'authorized EV
repairman. I also think that his idea of 'see that things are going ok' is also
great. A call on a monthly basis to answer any questions, deal with problems
before the problem becomes major, feedback from the customer about the coffee
cup holder... In essence making sure that the customer continues staying
satisfied.
Rush
Tucson AZ
doing a '86 Mitsubishi truck
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From: "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Glider source
> If somebody bought a Tango in fort
> pierce Florida , and didn't know anything about EV's , didn't want to , just
> wanted to drive it , What would Rick do? I'd like to think he'd call me up
> and say , "Steve I have a car in your area would you look in on the owner ,
> and see that things are going ok. ".
> Steve Clunn
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Hi All,
Could members of the other EV groups like
Force-EV, EV-1, Rav-4 EV, ect please post this to your
groups and let me know either off line or on the new
list?
Thanks,
Jerry Dycus
Hi Everyone.
This is to announce the formation of the
EVProduction Group to get EV's on the road by
encouraging, helping EV production to get started.
It's obvious that the Auto companies are not
going to do it so we must do it ourselves.
If you are tired of the status quo and want
to help get this going, please join the group below.
You can access the group's web features using the
link below.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EVProduction/
Thank you,
Jerry Dycus
__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
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From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:26 AM
Subject: Invitation to EVProduction Group
> Hi Everyone.
> This is to announce the formation of the
> EVProduction Group to get EV's on the road by
> encouraging, helping EV production to get started.
> It's obvious that the Auto companies are not
> going to do it so we must do it ourselves.
> If you are tired of the status quo and want
> to help get this going, please join the group below.
>
> You can access the group's web features using the
> link below.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EVProduction/
>
> Thank you,
> Jerry Dycus
>
> Hi Jerry;
Check yur mailbox, I signed up . Seeya there, too!
Bob
>
>
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Hello to All,
Ryan Bohm wrote:
> I wish I lived by Otmar or Plasma Boy. I can't imagine what it feels
> like to go 0-60 in 5 - 6 seconds. That must be one awesome ride! I've
> never been in anything very fast.
Blue Meanie's my slow EV...it's in the 4 second regon for White Zombie :-)
Another Datsun 1200 I helped design and build, my brother's street-driven drag
car with an
honest dynoed 411 hp four banger, ran 11.2 seconds in the 1/4 mile on wrinkle
walls! His
car would pull the tires off the ground on the 2-3 upshift. 0-60 was probably
in the high
3's. That orange-red 1200 sedan, modified over the years and even quicker under
someone
else's ownership, can be viewed here:
<http://datsun1200.com/modules/nsections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=69>
See Ya....John Wayland
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I saw the post. I already have a Ford Ranger with low mileage and don't
want another truck. I believe my cost to convert will ultimately be a lot
less since I am not buying a "kit" and can make a lot of the parts. I
believe $5-7K is probably more accurate.
Besides, I would miss all the fun!
:-)
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From: "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: New To Group
Have you been watching the recent posts that one of the EVDL members is
selling his electric truck in the Kansas City area? $12,000 is not much
more than what you'd be spending one a conversion anyway, probably.
Bill Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Ward
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:49 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: New To Group
Thanks Bob Bath & Others too!
Bob, I enjoyed the ppt presentation.
I have been sucking up the info like crazy. Interestingly I am also a
teacher and work in a vocational career center with a lot of resouces and
resourceful people. MO as always is behind the curve in alternative
technology and at the License bureau the other day I got a blank stare
when
I asked how EV's are licensed.
My best neighbor friend is going to take me to the auto auction where
hopefully I can find a good donor car. He tells me one's with blown
engines, oil puddlers, etc. with nice bodys are available cheap, so we
will
see what happens.
In my case I am able to fabricate or weld most of the metal hardware, have
the advantage of a body shop (which I will avoid by getting a better car)
and my background in EE will certainly be an asset.
---------------Questions---------------
A question for Bob....is there a motor adaptor premade for the 92-95 Civic
or would I need to get one machined? I really like these cars and believe
my wife would as well. (have to keep her happy)
A question for anyone.....How do you get the AC to run? I notice some
cars
have it. It would seem to me even a double-shaft drive motor would not
maintain enough speed to keep the compressor running adequately. Other
methods would seem power hungry.
Also to anyone. I have a good source for marine deep cycle batteries.
Electro battery is near where I live. I can get some Deep cycles in 105
or
better AH. Is anyone using these? I haven't run the math (will do when
time comes) since I haven't picked the car, motor, etc, yet, so I am
looking
for experience, cost, lifespan, and so on with the various types of batts.
My driving is going to average no more than 20-25 miles per day, mostly
local.
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The wiring and other issues seem simple enough, and I have pulled enough
wiring diagrams and tech specs on a lot of the hardware already to
determine
that won't be a problem. Another friend works for a large industrial
motor
company in STL, and is going to see if he can hook me up with an Advanced
8"
So I am pretty much in the acquiring stage at this time, both info and as
things develop, the parts.
Thanks all!
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From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: New To Group
Welcome to the group!
My thing happens to be '92-95 Civics. High GVWR,
cute, airbag & safe roll cage, and they lend
themselves to going to electric rather nicely for a
few reasons; low cost donor vehicles/age being one of
them.
If you choose this model, I have an online journal
which would save you many hours of brainstorming
www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html and click
the link at the bottom.
I can also provide a video for $12 incl. S&H that
would be well worth it.
Best of luck with your project!
'92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
____
__/__|__\ __
=D-------/ - - \
'O'-----'O'-'
Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering
wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
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If this doesn't work or is wrong, I vote VERY positive.
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Just a note from another guy with an E-10 -- This truck is worth EVERY
PENNY of what Don's asking for it. Solectria did an outstanding job of
converting the S-10, it is a great utility vehicle and their attention
to detail and professional job in the conversion to electric is
unparalleled!
My wife and I hauled probably 3/4 of a ton of stuff to the dump the
other day in a couple of trips in our E-10. When we were done, we
agreed the E-10 was probably our best vehicle purchase, ever. We've had
ours 5 years or so and have really put it through a lot of hard work,
hauling all sorts of gardening supplies, gravel, etc.
Whoever gets this truck is very lucky; there weren't that many made.
-Tom
Don Buckshot wrote:
Hi,
Since I have already received more than one inquiry I thought it would be
appropriate to respond to the list.
The price for the truck is $12,300.
--
Thomas Hudson
http://portdistrict5.org -- 5th District Aldermanic Website
http://portev.org -- Electric Vehicles, Solar Power & More
http://portgardenclub.org -- Port Washington Garden Club
http://portlightstation.org -- Light Station Restoration
http://klanky.com -- Animation Projects
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Edison's patents expired long ago. Anyone can use and profit from his
inventions now without consent. However, recent improvements to those
inventions may be protected by more recent patents. Patent protection
generally lasts 20 years. Long enough for the inventor to recoup his
development costs and make a profit, but not so long that it stifles
competition and further innovation in the free market. From the USPTO web
site:
"For applications filed on or after June 8, 1995, utility and plant patents
are granted for a term which begins with the date of the grant and usually
ends 20 years from the date you first applied for the patent subject to the
payment of appropriate maintenance fees. Design patents last 14 years from
the date you are granted the patent. Note: Patents in force on June 8 and
patents issued thereafter on applications filed prior to June 8, 1995
automatically have a term that is the greater of the twenty year term
discussed above or seventeen years from the patent grant. "
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From: "Ivo Jara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Maybe I'm wrong, but if i want to make (let's say) a light bulb, I will
have
> to pay money to the edison famili, but I could make them without their
> written consent.
>
> Am I right ??????
>
> Ivo
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BTW My Solectria e-10 (below) is an AC drive!
Don
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mark Ward
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:09 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: New To Group
I saw the post. I already have a Ford Ranger with low mileage and don't
want another truck. I believe my cost to convert will ultimately be a lot
less since I am not buying a "kit" and can make a lot of the parts. I
believe $5-7K is probably more accurate.
Besides, I would miss all the fun!
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: New To Group
> Have you been watching the recent posts that one of the EVDL members is
> selling his electric truck in the Kansas City area? $12,000 is not much
> more than what you'd be spending one a conversion anyway, probably.
>
> Bill Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mark Ward
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:49 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: New To Group
>
> Thanks Bob Bath & Others too!
>
> Bob, I enjoyed the ppt presentation.
>
> I have been sucking up the info like crazy. Interestingly I am also a
> teacher and work in a vocational career center with a lot of resouces and
> resourceful people. MO as always is behind the curve in alternative
> technology and at the License bureau the other day I got a blank stare
> when
> I asked how EV's are licensed.
>
> My best neighbor friend is going to take me to the auto auction where
> hopefully I can find a good donor car. He tells me one's with blown
> engines, oil puddlers, etc. with nice bodys are available cheap, so we
> will
>
> see what happens.
>
> In my case I am able to fabricate or weld most of the metal hardware, have
> the advantage of a body shop (which I will avoid by getting a better car)
> and my background in EE will certainly be an asset.
> ---------------Questions---------------
> A question for Bob....is there a motor adaptor premade for the 92-95 Civic
> or would I need to get one machined? I really like these cars and believe
> my wife would as well. (have to keep her happy)
>
> A question for anyone.....How do you get the AC to run? I notice some
> cars
>
> have it. It would seem to me even a double-shaft drive motor would not
> maintain enough speed to keep the compressor running adequately. Other
> methods would seem power hungry.
>
> Also to anyone. I have a good source for marine deep cycle batteries.
> Electro battery is near where I live. I can get some Deep cycles in 105
> or
> better AH. Is anyone using these? I haven't run the math (will do when
> time comes) since I haven't picked the car, motor, etc, yet, so I am
> looking
>
> for experience, cost, lifespan, and so on with the various types of batts.
> My driving is going to average no more than 20-25 miles per day, mostly
> local.
> ----------------------------------------
> The wiring and other issues seem simple enough, and I have pulled enough
> wiring diagrams and tech specs on a lot of the hardware already to
> determine
>
> that won't be a problem. Another friend works for a large industrial
> motor
>
> company in STL, and is going to see if he can hook me up with an Advanced
> 8"
>
> So I am pretty much in the acquiring stage at this time, both info and as
> things develop, the parts.
>
> Thanks all!
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: New To Group
>
>
>> Welcome to the group!
>> My thing happens to be '92-95 Civics. High GVWR,
>> cute, airbag & safe roll cage, and they lend
>> themselves to going to electric rather nicely for a
>> few reasons; low cost donor vehicles/age being one of
>> them.
>> If you choose this model, I have an online journal
>> which would save you many hours of brainstorming
>> www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html and click
>> the link at the bottom.
>> I can also provide a video for $12 incl. S&H that
>> would be well worth it.
>> Best of luck with your project!
>>
>> '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
>> ____
>> __/__|__\ __
>> =D-------/ - - \
>> 'O'-----'O'-'
>> Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering
>> wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________
>> Do you Yahoo!?
>> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
>> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
>>
>
>
>
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Ivo Jara wrote:
>
> As I understand it you can produce a patented invention, as long as you pay
> the owner of the patent.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong, but if i want to make (let's say) a light bulb, I will have
> to pay money to the edison famili, but I could make them without their
> written consent.
>
> Am I right ??????
US Patents (normally) expire after 18 years. So, you don't owe Edison
anything for his light bulb patents -- they've expired. Though nowdays,
lawyers are using legal tricks to extend patent life.
Or, you can show that the patent is invalid, and never should have been
issued. For instance, that the inventor did NOT really invent it
(someone else did), or that the invention was already being used before
he patented it (and so the idea was public knowledge).
Or, you can always build the invention for learning and studying -- but
not to sell or make money from.
--
Ring the bells that you can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in
-- Leonard Cohen, from "Anthem"
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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No, I mean properly installed facing forward with a high and low beam.
Do the DOT specs even apply fully to custom vehicles? I know that
motorcycles must have controls and markings in certain places, but a lot
of custom motorcycles have "unusual" controls, like the ones without any
hand levers (brakes or clutch) on the handlebars, where the clutch is a
twist grip on the left. I think some of that stuff only applies to
production vehicles over a certain quantity.
Victor Tikhonov wrote:
In short, no it does not. Depends how you install them.
Inatall DOT approved headlights facing back to punish
tailgaters (or similar odd locations), and you get BIG
ticket at very least.
Eric Poulsen wrote:
When purchasing headlights, if it says it "Meets DOT requirements,"
does that mean that it's road legal?
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All, to help take the "next step", as Lee Hart has pointed out, I have
created a new domain name (evconsortium.org), web site, and message
board to move the Sunrise discussion and general new ev discussion to
the next step.
If you want to be a part of this, you are welcome to send an e-mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], with your subscription request. Please
include in this e-mail, whether you want to be informed on high-level
announcements only, or if you want to be part of the core team
responsible for making this new company a reality.
If you want to be part of the core team, you need to know that you
will be required to put up some amount of your own money to be part of
this team (exact amount is to be determined) and that like everything
else in life, there are no guarantees of any level of success. This
monetary requirement is necessary, due to the reality that we can't
get anything done if we have 1,000 people wanting to be involved in
decision making and giving their opinion on every topic/decision.
We will send all general, high-level announcements to the EV list (and
any other list people think would be of general value).
Please feel free to forward this on to others who might be interested,
or cross-post, as you believe it is relevant.
--
Mark Dodrill
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