EV Digest 4893
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Where to buy GC batteries in Compton Ca.
by Justin Southam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Blacktown Sun article
by "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Digital Panel Meters Common Ground
by "Robert Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Zilla manual
by "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: Digital Panel Meters Common Ground
by "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: Blacktown Sun article
by "Robert Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Newbie to list - Need help
by "Nick 'Sharkey' Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Nethercutt Collection
by jerry halstead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: Electricity vs Hydrogen (Jet Contrails vs. CO2)
by "Mueller, Craig M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Newbie to list - Need help
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: adaptor plate
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Subject: EV Confidential Update
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: adaptor plate
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Subject: EV Confidential Update
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Digital Panel Meters Common Ground
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Digital Panel Meters Common Ground
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) AUCTION Sat. Nov. 12 @ 10:30 AM
by Joe Buford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Plug-In Hybrid Prius to VISIT SEATTLE
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: battery or Charger Problems
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Nethercutt Collection
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) AGM orientation
by "Christopher Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Digital Panel Meters Common Ground
by "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: AGM orientation
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
24) Re: Amazing Scvcon 128vdc converter
by Bill & Nancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Amazing Scvcon 128vdc converter
by Ricky Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) RE: Electricity vs Hydrogen (Jet Contrails vs. CO2)
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Digital Panel Meters Common Ground
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Digital Panel Meters Common Ground
by John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Unusual question: OD of 2/0 cable?
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) RE: Unusual question: OD of 2/0 cable?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Thanks Patrick
Cheers,
Justin
At 15:17 08-11-05 -0800, you wrote:
>Justin,
>
>Try contacting Dave Mason at US Battery. He gave me a great deal on
batteries for my car last year.
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>David L. Mason
>U.S. Battery Mfg. Co.
>(909)371-8090
>(909)371-4671 FAX
>
>
>Patrick
>
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Hey Robert,
It looks like you made the front page.
(Well, it would be the front page if they didn't have the advertising
special wrapped around it :-)
Good stuff.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Chew
Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 12:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Battery chargers in series
Hey Clauddio
Yeah i tried hooking them chargers in series. The chargers just turned
off
the charging circuit. But i did try them across two 12 volt batteries
connected in series, one charger for each battery, and all was good.
Got an article on Blacktown Sun coming out tommorow. Look out for it. It
is
a bit exaggereated. But oh well, should be good, or a good laugh
Cheers
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Hi All,
I just acquired some digital panel meters without checking the power
configuration. They have common ground +5v supply to power the thing and
also they have one Vin pad for the voltage monitoring. The only thing is, if
I got a pack in series of 6 by 12 volt batteries and I want to monitor any
battery in the pack. The meter is going to give me a potential of the
battery with respect to earth. So for the 5th or 6th battery, instead of
displaying 12volt, it will display 72 volts.
Also if I have the common ground connection taken from the individual
battery negative and I supply a +5v from my aux system which is in common to
the traction pack. I will not get any power to the unit??
Any thoughts, or just use the good old analog auto meters.
Cheers.
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Hey Otmar,
What would you think about putting a wiki-based manual on your site?
That way, as bits of information come up about the Zilla you, or we,
could update the relevant page.
Then, every year or so you could compile the current info into the
official printed manual.
I know that I have learned quite a bit more about what some of the
counters in the DAQ thingies mean through emails from you - stuff that
is only briefly touched on in the manual.
There has been so much useful info about the Zilla appear on this list
(the cooling discussion and the hall-effect discussion are just two
recent examples). Having an easily updatable repository to jot down or
update this info can only be a good thing.
It would take a bit to set up, but I'm sure there would be plenty of
people on the list with the appropriate skills who would gladly lend a
hand.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Otmar
Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2005 2:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Zilla standby current
>Sounds like something that should be incorporated into the Zilla
>Manual, *cough*Otmar*cough* =)
I'll be sure to do that when I rewrite it.
Maybe in the next couple years at the rate I'm going.... :-)
--
-Otmar-
http://www.CafeElectric.com/ Home of the Zilla.
http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
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Hi Robert,
One option is to simply power each meter from the battery it is
monitoring through a nice cheap 5v regulator.
Alternatively, you could power each meter through an isolated dc/dc from
your 12v SLI battery.
Another alternative is to use isolating amplifiers to bring the
monitoring signals in.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Chew
Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2005 9:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Digital Panel Meters Common Ground
Hi All,
I just acquired some digital panel meters without checking the power
configuration. They have common ground +5v supply to power the thing and
also they have one Vin pad for the voltage monitoring. The only thing
is, if
I got a pack in series of 6 by 12 volt batteries and I want to monitor
any
battery in the pack. The meter is going to give me a potential of the
battery with respect to earth. So for the 5th or 6th battery, instead of
displaying 12volt, it will display 72 volts.
Also if I have the common ground connection taken from the individual
battery negative and I supply a +5v from my aux system which is in
common to
the traction pack. I will not get any power to the unit??
Any thoughts, or just use the good old analog auto meters.
Cheers.
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Hey mark,
Yeah it was good. However, the number of mistakes in that article was
overwhelming, especially the $2.50 per 40km, I told the guy 50cents. Oh
well. They are going to do a follow-up story. And the picture, it was good,
but they should have at least reminded me about the strip across the body
instead of the ugly exposed holes.
You mentioned last time that you had some battery voltmeters in design, how
are they going, I am interested in them.
Cheers
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Fowler
Sent: 10 November 2005 21:24
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Blacktown Sun article
Hey Robert,
It looks like you made the front page.
(Well, it would be the front page if they didn't have the advertising
special wrapped around it :-)
Good stuff.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Chew
Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 12:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Battery chargers in series
Hey Clauddio
Yeah i tried hooking them chargers in series. The chargers just turned
off
the charging circuit. But i did try them across two 12 volt batteries
connected in series, one charger for each battery, and all was good.
Got an article on Blacktown Sun coming out tommorow. Look out for it. It
is
a bit exaggereated. But oh well, should be good, or a good laugh
Cheers
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On 2005-11-09, Bruce Weisenberger wrote:
> The Semiems motor used in Ford EV Rangers is 3 phased.
Think you've still got a ways to go, Victor ...
-----sharks (ex-Siemens)
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"A thing should be as simple as it is and no simpler." -- Albert Einstein
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I stumbled across this today:
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/entertainment/ci_3194820
Among the 243 collector cars on display,
"- An early electric car, the 1921 Owen-Magnetic Model 60, which
kind of resembles Cinderella's horse-drawn carriage, but minus the
horses. It is driven by a tiller from the rear seat. Passengers sit
in the front seats and face the rear."
This pic of it looks gas powered, given the starting crank on the front:
http://concours.smugmug.com/gallery/194019/1/7464690
Crawford museum article mentions it as one of the early hybrids:
http://info.detnews.com/joyrides/story/index.cfm?id=371
As do these:
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4022560
http://www.hybridcars.com/history.html
http://www.speedace.info/electric_vehicle_history.htm
Still, looks like a fun collection to view.
The Nethercutt Museum
15151 Bledsoe Street
Sylmar, CA
Open Tues-Sat 9am-4:30pm
http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/
-Jerry
http://www.evconvert.com/
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Jerry,
You mentioned (in one of your replies):
>Also CO2 is not the major or probably even a minor cause of global
warming >so it in it'self is a red herring. The only real global warming
gas we have >been able to prove is ice crystals from jet exhaust flying
higher than >22,0000 ft
-- The ice crystal theory is news to me. I was under the impression that
CO2 was in fact the main contributor to global warming. I did a quick
search on the matter and learned;
"A research team of American and German scientists, headed by Patrick
Minnis of the NASA Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, reports
evidence that contrails cause a warming of the Earth's atmosphere.
Currently their impact is currently small as compared to other
greenhouse effects."
Source: http://www.theozonehole.com/airtraffic.htm
Please let me know if you have any information noting that CO2 is not
truly a greenhouse gas contributor (i.e. "red herring").
Regards,
Craig
e-Daytona IROC
http://www.geocities.com/cmmuell/
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From: jerry dycus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Electricity vs Hydrogen
Hi Fortuna, Allent and All,
Fortunat Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Allan,
There are tons of studies of the type you are looking
for (comparing fuel pathway efficiency and/or
emissions for various vehicle and fuel types). A lot
of them are carried out using the GREET model
developed by the DOE at Argonne National Labs.
For example, see the fifth slide of this presentation
:
http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/AF/270.pdf
it shows the Well-to-wheels GHG emissions for various
fuel pathways and vehicle types. According to this
model, a fuel cell vehicle fueled by H2 made from
reforming natural gas creates less GHG than an EV
charged from the US mix.
Why not compare apples to apples? If you generate Electricity
from NG, EV's make much less GHG than fool cells as EV's are 2 to 3x's
as eff. Also much Ng generating cap is in cogen plants where eff is
hitting 60%.
Here in Fla, many of the worst coal plants were converted to NG
gas turbines which exhaust ran the old steam boilers, thus achieving 60%
eff. Many other new plant do this too. Sounless this is a very recent
survey, they missed out on these as the US mix has drasticly changed in
the last 2 yrs..
Also CO2 is not the major or probably even a minor cause of
global warming so it in it'self is a red herring. The only real global
warming gas we have been able to prove is ice crystals from jet exhaust
flying higher than 22,0000 ft.
But what you don't mentiom is most EV's are charged at night
where most of the US power comes from Nuke, hydro and increasingly wind.
None of which make GHG's.
On the other hand, a Fuel
cell vehicle fueled by H2 made from electrolysis using
the US mix is even less clean.
if you are interested in other studies (not all of
them include EV's though), there are lots of
publications listed here :
http://www.transportation.anl.gov/software/GREET/publications.html
hope that helps,
~fortunat
--- Allan Alessio wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any studies or papers
> in regard to the questions below. I submitted my
> questions to Fran Pavley. A copy of the email is
> below.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Fran Pavley,
>
>
>
> I am writing to you in hopes of getting an answer to
> my question. I have been a follower alternative
> fuels for a number of years. In all my studies and
> numerous papers I read, I have yet to find an
> argument that supports a hydrogen infrastructure
> over an electric infrastructure. To put it in
> simpler terms, why have a fuel cell car over an
> electric car? Seems like the only hurdle with an
> electric car is range. This problem is far closer
> to a solution verses all the hurdles that need to be
> conquered with hydrogen. Some say the cost of
> hydrogen fueled car will never be cheaper than an
> electric car.
>
The range problem is being solved by more eff EV's that can now
get 100mile + on lead batts, 200 miles on Ni-cads and 300 mile range on
Li-ions of which their price is coming down fast. Also lead batts can be
charged to 80% in 15 minutes and ni-cads to 100% in the same time.
>
>
> Another question that will clearly point this out.
> Let's say we have two equal amounts of energy, it
> can be solar or fossil fuel. One amount is used to
> generate electricity to power an electric car. The
> other equal amount is used to generate hydrogen.
> With both cars being equal in weight and other
> parameters being equal, how far would each car
> travel? My guess would be that the electric car
> would travel significantly further.
At least twice as far and in our energy short future, that is
a deal breaker. And that doesn't include the H2 infastructure, vehicle
storage, cost problems fool cells have.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
>
>
> I hope you can help me find the answer to my
> questions because as of now, I am not convinced that
> a hydrogen infrastructure is the way to go.
>
>
>
> Sincerely, Allan Alessio
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> AB 740 - Clean Air, Clean Water, and Coastal
> Protection Act
> On February 19th, 2003, Fran Pavley officially
> introduced AB 740, The Clean Air, Clean Water, and
> Coastal Protection Act of 2004. This piece of
> legislation, if approved by the Legislature, would
> put a bond measure on the ballot (most likely the
> March 2004 ballot) for $2.9 billion worth of general
> obligation bonds for the financing of an air and
> water quality and coastal protection program.
> Specifically, $500 million of the $2.9 billion would
> go towards hydrogen fueling infrastructure and
> consumer incentives for the purchase of fuel cell
> vehicles. This legislation would also set the stage
> for additional hydrogen financing by requiring a
> plan to be submitted to the Legislature that
> authorizes the financing of subsequent fueling
> infrastructure development through revenue bonds
> supported by a tax on hydrogen. EIN has provided,
> and will continue to provide when asked, technical
> and educational support to legislators and their
> staffs.
>
>
>
> AB 740 was brought to committee on February 2, 2004.
> Despite receiving overwhelming committee bipartisan
> support, it was put on suspense because of the
> California budget crisis. The bill is expected to be
> reintroduced in January 2005.
>
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At 10:38 PM 11/9/2005, Victor Tikhonov wrote:
Guys, I didn't even recognized the company names at first - so
grossly misspelled.
Here is the name:
S I E M E N S
Hmm, now that I work for Siemens, maybe I should check into an
employee discount... :-)
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Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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And there is always emachineshop http://www.emachineshop.com/
For that don't know they provide a 1/2 decent drawing program that
you download and design your part in. It quotes locally so you can do it
over and over. When you have it the way you want it, you can submit it
as a job.(never got to that part yet) it limits your stock choices and
stears you in certain directions to keep the cost down.
If the vehicle you have chosen is popular, you may be able to have a
few made and sell them to help offset the cost. :-)
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Hi Roderick,
GM won't like it. One of the gals behind the scenes of this film is
Chelsea Sexton who worked for GM during the EV-1 program. Her husband
was also an EV-1 technician. She blew the whistle on GM's handling of
the program and provided alot of information for the film makers to
counter GM's claim the car wasn't profitable. Chelsea was also one of
the organizers behind the protest at GM's Burbank facility when GM took
the cars to the crusher.
The film makers came to DC a few months ago to film a segment for the
film at the Smithsonian Institution where one of the EV-1s is on
display. Our EVA/DC president, Dave Goldstein, got them into the
Smithsonian to film the car. We were told that the Smithsonian probably
want them there filming the car if it was for an anti-GM propaganda
film but Dave got them in to take plenty of good shots of the car
anyway. GM apparently sponsors the exhibit where the EV-1 is on display
and on the placard is not so flattering information about the EV-1. We
have complained and met with the Smithsonian about the way the car is
displayed and that the information about the EV-1 is biased toward GM
since they sponsor the exhibit.
So this film will take to task GM's mishandling of the EV-1 program.
The fact that Sony Pictures is handling distribution is good news since
word will get out.
Chip
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:43:05 AM US/Eastern
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: EV Confidential Update
Hi Folks, I have it on good authority that EV Confidential has been
sold to Sony Pictures for an undisclosed sum of money for distribution
to theaters. It must be a great documentary to make it to the public
screen. It is no wonder when you look at the credentials of the people
who created this film. http:// www.evconfidential.com/filmmakers.html.
I have a sneaky suspicion that General Motors may not appreciate this
film
Roderick Wilde
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Seth Rothenberg wrote:
I've been googling around, and didn't see
the answer to this yet.
If I wanted to make my own adaptor plate,
is there a likely source for the scrap metal for it?
Something like an old flywheel?
Fuzzy logic: Since this is the Mother of all Projects
(for this year :-), I might as well grab the chance (excuse),
and buy a 3-in-1 machine shop that my friend sells commercially.
It's a compact machine that has a lathe, bench grinder,
and milling machine if I am not mistaken.
I'd be surprised if the swing of a machine such as this would be enough
to accommodate an adapter plate. Usually the 3-in-1 machines are hobby
sized for making small parts.
I haven't used these things since high school ;-)
Thanks.
Seth
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Hey Chip, Thanks so much for sharing this additional inside information. It
makes me want to see the film even more.
Roderick Wilde
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From: "Chip Gribben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:06 AM
Subject: Subject: EV Confidential Update
Hi Roderick,
GM won't like it. One of the gals behind the scenes of this film is
Chelsea Sexton who worked for GM during the EV-1 program. Her husband was
also an EV-1 technician. She blew the whistle on GM's handling of the
program and provided alot of information for the film makers to counter
GM's claim the car wasn't profitable. Chelsea was also one of the
organizers behind the protest at GM's Burbank facility when GM took the
cars to the crusher.
The film makers came to DC a few months ago to film a segment for the film
at the Smithsonian Institution where one of the EV-1s is on display. Our
EVA/DC president, Dave Goldstein, got them into the Smithsonian to film
the car. We were told that the Smithsonian probably want them there
filming the car if it was for an anti-GM propaganda film but Dave got them
in to take plenty of good shots of the car anyway. GM apparently sponsors
the exhibit where the EV-1 is on display and on the placard is not so
flattering information about the EV-1. We have complained and met with the
Smithsonian about the way the car is displayed and that the information
about the EV-1 is biased toward GM since they sponsor the exhibit.
So this film will take to task GM's mishandling of the EV-1 program. The
fact that Sony Pictures is handling distribution is good news since word
will get out.
Chip
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:43:05 AM US/Eastern
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: EV Confidential Update
Hi Folks, I have it on good authority that EV Confidential has been sold
to Sony Pictures for an undisclosed sum of money for distribution to
theaters. It must be a great documentary to make it to the public screen.
It is no wonder when you look at the credentials of the people who created
this film. http:// www.evconfidential.com/filmmakers.html. I have a sneaky
suspicion that General Motors may not appreciate this film
Roderick Wilde
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You'll need to use a small isolated DC/DC converter. Ones this size
are under $10.
John
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:24:59 +1100, "Robert Chew"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I just acquired some digital panel meters without checking the power
>configuration. They have common ground +5v supply to power the thing and
>also they have one Vin pad for the voltage monitoring. The only thing is, if
>I got a pack in series of 6 by 12 volt batteries and I want to monitor any
>battery in the pack. The meter is going to give me a potential of the
>battery with respect to earth. So for the 5th or 6th battery, instead of
>displaying 12volt, it will display 72 volts.
>
>Also if I have the common ground connection taken from the individual
>battery negative and I supply a +5v from my aux system which is in common to
>the traction pack. I will not get any power to the unit??
>
>Any thoughts, or just use the good old analog auto meters.
>
>Cheers.
>
---
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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At 08:20 AM 11/10/2005, Neon John wrote:
You'll need to use a small isolated DC/DC converter. Ones this size
are under $10.
Since he would need one for each meter, that is an expensive solution.
I'd just go with a cheap 5V regulator and power the meter from the
battery being monitored.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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Monday November 14, 2005
12:30 Seattle Civic Plaza
600 4th Avenue between Cherry and James in front of Seattle City Hall
Press Conference
* Felix Kramer & Ron Gremban of The California Cars Initiative
developers of the 100 MPG Prius+
* Deputy Mayor Tim Ceis
* Seattle City Light Superintendent Jorge Carrasco
* Washington State Apollo Alliance Coordinator Rich Feldman
* Members of Mayor Nickels' Green Ribbon Commission on Climate Protection
Public invited. There will be brief remarks on efforts to influence car
makers to make PHEVs, questions from the press, and then followed by
rides around the block in CalCars' Prius+ for journalists and officials.
The City of Seattle is considering joining the National Plug-in Hybrid
Campaign. This campaign is being led by the Mayor of Austin,
Will Wynn to "build a groundswell of demand sufficient to entice
carmakers to mass produce what is the logical near term response towards
the critical goal of energy independence." www.pluginaustin.org
CalCars began with a prototype conversion they call "PRIUS+" to bring
attention to plug-in hybrids and encourage car makers to build them.
A PHEV is like having a second small fuel tank that you always use
first. You get to fill this one at home with electricity at an
equivalent cost of under $1/gallon. How much under depends on your car
and your electric rate. You refill from an ordinary 120-volt socket,
with energy that's much cleaner, cheaper and not imported.
Plug-in hybrids are the cars of the future — today
* PHEVs use the same technology as the Toyota Prius and other popular
hybrids already on the road but they have larger batteries. And drivers
get the option of plugging in to regular electrical outlet.
* Compared to current, popular hybrid vehicles, PHEVs can use 40-80%
less petroleum and lower greenhouse gases. PHEVs that substitute
cleaner, cheaper electricity from domestic sources for polluting,
imported oil can be the basis of strategies to tackle two great
challenges: global warming and energy security.
* Prototype PHEV sedans and SUVs exist today. And DaimlerChrysler has
built several commercial PHEV vans. We think PHEVs can help revive car
companies and save jobs. Early adopters and fleet buyers in California
and places like Austin aim to demonstrate demand to auto manufacturers.
If by 2025, all cars on the road are hybrids and half are plug-in
hybrids, US oil imports would drop by 8 million barrels per day (mbd).
Today, the US imports 10 mbd.
* Set America Free, Initiative by security-focused organizations
including Institute for the Analysis of Global Security, joined by
Natural Resources Defense Council and Apollo Alliance
These vehicles are quickly becoming the darlings of strange bedfellows:
both conservative hawks and environmentalists, who see such fuel
efficiency as key to ensuring national security and fighting climate
change. Reducing dependence on the turbulent Middle East ‘is a war
issue,’ says former CIA Chief R. James Woolsey, who calls the cars’
potential ‘phenomenal.’
* Business Week, April 11, 2005, "Giving Hybrids A Real Jolt”
America needs to go much further toward energy diversity and efficiency
by investing dramatically in renewable technology like a new generation
of bio-fuels and embrace the industries of the future like American made
advanced pluggable hybrid cars.
* Apollo Alliance, Broad labor, environmental, business, urban and
religious coalition
CalCars is helping to demonstrate new ways to move towards a clean,
renewable, petroleum-free transportation economy. PHEVs are a near-term
solution to help improve the efficiency and emissions associated with
virtually any transportation fuel, including hydrogen and biofuels. And
PHEVs are an economical and sustainable bridging strategy to help bring
fuel cell cars to market even more quickly.
* Daniel Emmett, Executive Director, Energy Independence Now
ALSO:
For a more Technical Approach, Felix and Ron will be holding a
meeting at South Seattle Community College Nov.14th between 2pm and 3 pm
in SSCC Main Automotive Bay
(Presentation in Auto 134)
Questions? Call Pinky Dale @ 768-686 Maps and info at:
http://www.southseattle.edu/campus/campmap.htm
Thanks to Richard A. Feldman the Washington State Coordinator, Apollo
Alliance for the great Press Release Copy.
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
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It sure sounds like you have both charger and Battery problems.
3.2 to 3.65 volts per 6 volt battery????
This is simple they are Junk!!
Replace with new batteries...all the same kind.
Your charger is in short circuit mode... the battery pack is so low in
voltage that the charger is taking a real beating. Some chargers blow up at
that load level. Some won't even trun on.
So... you need to figure out what batteries are dead and what are saveable.
With the voltages you say, they are all dead beyond repair.
First thing is check the Acid level. Are all the cells at least covering the
plates?
If not fill them.
Then try the charger again. Resting shoud be just above 6 volts on all
batteries... Even completly drained...you should still have 6 volts with no
load on them.
3 volts with no load says you have less than 2 cells alive. Maybe 2 dead
cell and one just barley there.
Don't expect your charger to make it's rated power until you get some
batteries that don't look like a short circuit to it.
Fix the Lead issue, The charge comes later.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Calvin King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: battery or Charger Problems
> I am definately having issues. I just don't fully know what the
> issues are.
>
> Here is what is happening. I have never gotten my 16 6volt battery
> pack higher than 112 volts. Things are actually worst now, I am now
> down to a normal charge resulting in 101 - 102 volts total. Still
> more the pack is all over the place. The batteries range
> individually from 3.2 to 3.65 volts per battery. As I indicated in
> my intro it is a mixed pack having both T105's and T605's. The 605's
> are actually stronger than some of the 105's. I assume they are
> newer. I need to recheck, but I think I may have two possibly three
> dead cells. (Does this sound about right?)
>
> Now the charger. Remember I have a K&W charger BC20. Presently I
> can not charge at a rate higher then 2.5 amps with out the breaker
> kicking off.
> So where does the problem lie. Is it the batteries or the charger.
> Once again Showing my Ignorance,
> Calvin
> '81 Jet Electrica
>
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The Owen Magnetic's claim to fame was its magnetic transmission
which eliminated the need to operate a clutch or gear shifter. A
conventional gasoline engine drove this transmission. I've read
books from that period describing the Owen Magnetic but don't
remember details about it.
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From: "jerry halstead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:57 AM
Subject: Nethercutt Collection
I stumbled across this today:
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/entertainment/ci_3194820
Among the 243 collector cars on display,
"- An early electric car, the 1921 Owen-Magnetic Model 60, which
kind of resembles Cinderella's horse-drawn carriage, but minus the
horses. It is driven by a tiller from the rear seat. Passengers sit
in the front seats and face the rear."
This pic of it looks gas powered, given the starting crank on the front:
http://concours.smugmug.com/gallery/194019/1/7464690
Crawford museum article mentions it as one of the early hybrids:
http://info.detnews.com/joyrides/story/index.cfm?id=371
As do these:
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4022560
http://www.hybridcars.com/history.html
http://www.speedace.info/electric_vehicle_history.htm
Still, looks like a fun collection to view.
The Nethercutt Museum
15151 Bledsoe Street
Sylmar, CA
Open Tues-Sat 9am-4:30pm
http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/
-Jerry
http://www.evconvert.com/
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Hi All,
Some time ago I remember a discussion of orientation of AGM batteries.
Generally you can orient them in any position except upside-down.
I think it was mentioned that if you have some upright and some on their
side *in the same pack*, there would be some imbalance introduced over
time? Something to do with normal minor venting during charging? Do I
have this right, and if so is it a significant effect? That is, one
orientation providing >5% less life than the other?
Chris
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At 10:35 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote:
At 08:20 AM 11/10/2005, Neon John wrote:
You'll need to use a small isolated DC/DC converter. Ones this size
are under $10.
Since he would need one for each meter, that is an expensive solution.
I'd just go with a cheap 5V regulator and power the meter from the battery
being monitored.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I
dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
A DC/AC inverter and a handful of isolated wallwarts.
Do the meters need a regulated voltage? If not a transformer, diode, and a
capacitor may be all you need for each meter.
Bonus is 120AC for other stuff.
__________
Andre' B. Clear Lake, Wi.
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Chris,
In my electric motorcycle the 2 lowest YTs are mounted on their sides and
the 4 remaining are mounted upright. The pack has been well seasoned and the
batteries are out of balance (no regs). However those mounted on their sides
are
not the ones out of balance. The highest voltage and lowest voltage
batteries are in the 4 that are upright. Also worth noting is that of the 2
mounted
on their sides one is mounted vents down the other mounted vents up.
Hardly scientific, just real world experience.
- Mike B.
1994 Kawasaki Ninja 72 volts EV MC
In a message dated 11/10/2005 10:43:43 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some time ago I remember a discussion of orientation of AGM batteries.
Generally you can orient them in any position except upside-down.
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I checked cloud and ev parts, looks like new ones are around $200.
Bill
Joe Strubhar wrote:
I have a 72V Sevcon that I would sell or trade. What is it worth?
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Bill & Nancy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Amazing Scvcon 128vdc converter
It looks like this converter will not work with a 72 volt system. Anyone
have a lower voltage converter they want to trade?
Bill
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You can get an Iota DLS-45 for about $125, I think it would work on that
voltage. I've had my 220 vac version running on 144 volt pack for over 3 months
straight now and it hasn't fussed one bit.
Bill & Nancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I checked cloud and ev parts, looks like
new ones are around $200.
Bill
Joe Strubhar wrote:
> I have a 72V Sevcon that I would sell or trade. What is it worth?
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill & Nancy"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Amazing Scvcon 128vdc converter
>
>
>
>>It looks like this converter will not work with a 72 volt system. Anyone
>>have a lower voltage converter they want to trade?
>>Bill
>>
>>
>
>
>
Later,
Ricky
02 Insight
92 Saturn SC2 EV 144 Volt
Glendale, AZ USA
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:35:05 -0800, "John G. Lussmyer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>At 08:20 AM 11/10/2005, Neon John wrote:
>>You'll need to use a small isolated DC/DC converter. Ones this size
>>are under $10.
>
>Since he would need one for each meter, that is an expensive solution.
>I'd just go with a cheap 5V regulator and power the meter from the
>battery being monitored.
Many of the cheap meters won't allow the power and measured signal to
come from the same source. I have a bunch of meters that fall in that
category, which is why I recommended the DC/DC approach. If the meter
will allow a common supply and input signal then yes, I agree with
your suggestion.
John
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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At 11:59 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote:
Many of the cheap meters won't allow the power and measured signal to
come from the same source. I have a bunch of meters that fall in that
category, which is why I recommended the DC/DC approach. If the meter
will allow a common supply and input signal then yes, I agree with
your suggestion.
Re-read the original post.
That is EXACTLY the system he described.
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Can anyone give me a figure for the OD of 2/0 cable typically used for
battery to controller interconnects?
I have a closed-loop hall effect current sensor, and I'm wondering if a
2/0 cable will pass through, or do I need to use an non-insulted copper
bar? The opening is rectangular, 20 x 15 mm (0.787" x 0.591"), so my
small dimension is 15mm.
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Eric,
You should be fine.
It depends on the thickness of insulator, quoted from memory
the copper diameter is less than 9mm so you should be fine with
all but the cables with more than 3mm rubber isolator
(and even that could be cut off partially)
Success,
Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Eric Poulsen
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Unusual question: OD of 2/0 cable?
Can anyone give me a figure for the OD of 2/0 cable typically used for
battery to controller interconnects?
I have a closed-loop hall effect current sensor, and I'm wondering if a
2/0 cable will pass through, or do I need to use an non-insulted copper
bar? The opening is rectangular, 20 x 15 mm (0.787" x 0.591"), so my
small dimension is 15mm.
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