EV Digest 4979
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Dump Charging
by "Rodney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Washington State & Bainbridge Island
by "Kim Bottles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: My first year - Was: Re: Open source car development? - Long
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: My first year - Was: Re: Open source car development?
by Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: MG Update
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) eBay Item Ended - ELECTRIC PICKUP TRUCK, (8018992450)
by Seth Rothenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Open source car development?
by Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: eBay Item Ended - ELECTRIC PICKUP TRUCK, (8018992450)
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Dump Charging
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: MG Update
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Open source car development?
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Auburn Kodiak 600 Available - Repair needed
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) programming a vicor dc/dc
by Jimmy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Open source car development?
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Open source car development?
by Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) (no subject)
by Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Open source car development?
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Auburn Kodiak 600 Available - Repair needed
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Open source car development?
by Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: MG Update
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Auburn Kodiak 600 Available - Repair needed
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: MG Update
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Setting up a Direct Drive
by Jonathan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Auburn Kodiak 600 Available - Repair needed
by Bill & Nancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Open source car development?
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) My first EV conversion - partial success
by Seth Rothenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Open source car development?
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Dump Charging OT: Big motor
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: Open source car development? OT: links to show a newbie
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hey Jukka
Interesting thought and development. I am looking at having the bank of
Li-ion in the EV though, and using capacitors or supercapicitors to dump
charge to them for charging up. Would this work? They are 200 Ahr cells, two
sets in parallel. My thoughts are that the capacitor pack can be gradually
charged by the grid (or alternative power means), and thus can be ready to
rapidly charge the car when required. With the Li-ion pack in the car, I am
hoping I only need to recharge once a week if that!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jukka Järvinen
Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2005 8:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Dump Charging
John, They can.
Cells are individuals and some cells can be charged up to 80% in 30 minutes.
With smaller cells (10, 30 and 50 Ah, Li-Mn and Li-Co) practical tests have
been done but with 150 Ah Li-Mn and 200 Ah Li-Co cells there is no good
charging station yet available. Basicly same rates apply but will require
muchos power.
I'm going for the charging sation for Lions and hoping to have one proto
ready by July 2006. This satation will hold at least 500 Ah cells inside and
DC-DC to dump the energy. Vehicles CPU is keeping the control over the
charge. Sation CPU is slave. Staions cells are charged with normal 3-phase
power from grid. Simple and effective.
see www.fevt.com/images/EP100.jpg
It is a 100 kWh system with BMS. 139 x 200 Ah Lions (Li-Co).
-Jukka
fevt.com
John G. Lussmyer wrote:
> At 05:00 AM 12/10/2005, Rodney wrote:
>
>> Actually the Li-ion pack has a 3C max discharge/charge rate, while
>> the Trojans I am not sure about (but im sure someone here knows..)
>
>
> Have you verified that the LiIons can actually ACCEPT a high charge rate?
> The ThunderSky cells I've tested will only take a hi-rate charge for a
> very few minutes, something like 10% of capacity.
>
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
> http://www.CasaDelGato.com
>
>
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Actually when I went to the title people they did not make me have an
inspection, rather they simply had me sign a declaration that the car
used no gas. (Maybe I am an honest looking guy?)
The car is a hoot, I have driven it about a dozen times and I learn
something new each time.
My wife has actually decided she likes it after her initial reaction
which was: "You bought a WHAT?"
Cheers!
Kim Bottles
Bainbridge Island, WA
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From: Paul G. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Washington State & Bainbridge Island
On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Kim Bottles wrote:
> Second question is "does Washington State recognize EV's on their
> titles
> and if so what will I have to do to get it registered as such when I
go
> to the licensing agent next week when it arrives?"
Yes, fuel code is E for electric. If you don't get that changed you
will have a problem passing the smog test <g>.
To change the fuel code you have to make an appointment to take it to a
state patrol inspection station. I live in Everett and my closest one
was just north of Marysville. The inspection should be painless, at
least my experience was that they didn't check anything except for
verifying the lack of ability to propel it with fuel. They fill out
some forms you take to your local licensing agent. The vehicle is
registered normally and you have the small extra fee to have the state
send you a new title (fuel type is a title recorded item.)
Paul "neon" G.
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On 10 Dec 2005 at 13:43, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> One big problem that hasn't been well solved is that most LCDs do not
> survive temperature extremes very well. If anybody knows of some nice
> displays that do, I'd like to hear about them.
I wonder what Toyota is using in the Prius.
Also, it probably won't be enough of a display for this purpose, but the
Brusa ah/Wh counters seem to have a wide temperature LCD display.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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One big problem that hasn't been well solved is that most LCDs do not
survive temperature extremes very well. If anybody knows of some nice
displays that do, I'd like to hear about them.
Is -20c to 80c enough temperature range?
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So when will this show be aired?
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:19 PM
Subject: MG Update
All,
The build is complete!
The last Monster Garage will go down as a victory.
Though SEVER harasement in the form of explosives and expletives by the
crew,
the job was done with 15 minutes to spare. Madman and I left the set today
after revisiting to correct a couple of my wiring mistakes and smoking the
$500
tires of the meanest 4500lb EV around. The car was decent before we got
the
voltage right but is a downright hammer now. Many helped to make it
possible,
especially Ken Koch from KTA. I'll leave more details to others and the
show
itself but it was a heck of a good, bad, fun, horrendous, stressful time.
We
can't really control how the whole thing will be portrayed on the tube but
i'm
proud of the guys on the team for working hard and nonstop to start with a
piece of s__t car and design and install a complete drive (nose to tail)
and
control system, a never been tried series/parallel battery pack with over
1000
connections, and get it on the road in 4 days, all the whiled being
simultaneously shackled and ridden hard by those in charge.
NEXT UP - "The Challenge" The guy in the other lane is in trouble!
Shawn
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The pickup truck in NJ sold for US $1,526.00
I sent an email asking for a look at it, never got a reply.
Ad Excerpt
Here is a 1994 chevy small pick up electric truck this truck works by
electric recharging . it has only 2000 miles on it ,auto trans , A/C , .
eBay Watched Item Has Ended - ELECTRIC PICKUP TRUCK, (8018992450)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8018992450
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Ok... I got the skinny:
The machine is a new SuperMicro P4 3.2GHz - 1MB cache - 800FSB with 2GB
interleaved DDR 400 and two mirrored 36GB 10Krpm SATA150 drives and
Intel PRO/1000MT networking.
The hosting is a secure datacenter with redundant OC + DS connections,
the bandwidth is a 24/7 dedicated 512KBs, more is possible depending on
actual usage.
Technical support is included and you would pick the
forum/wiki/sitebuilder software it runs.
What you guys (the community) need to provide is:
1. Minimum three admins/moderators
2. A domain - I would suggest the domains "evforge.org" + "evforge.net".
I can register those if you want
3. A mission statement/manifesto (the central purpose of the community)
4. Website(s)
5. Traffic
I could install a number of different software packages, and you could
try them out and pick the one you like...
You can post ideas like that at evproduction.org. I will help
maintain the site and keep it organized but it's a wiki, kindof easy
to organize it as you go. And you can upload pictures and other
documents, too.
I could get a better domain to separate "production" ideas from "free
to everyone" ideas, maybe. (But it was really supposed to be for an
open-source production vehicle.)
Yeah, I agree. What I would love to see is a community site(s) dedicated to the
*conversion* (and one-off invention) of electric vehicles. Something with a byline/ideal
like: "Making the world a better place, one car at a time".
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On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 08:02:05PM -0500, Seth Rothenberg wrote:
>
> The pickup truck in NJ sold for US $1,526.00
Did it sell?
The auction says:
"The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available
for sale."
Thanks!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8018992450
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Jukka Järvinen wrote:
> see www.fevt.com/images/EP100.jpg
Is it just my eyes or is there a REALLY big motor in that pic? Why is
it in there and what do you attach to the end of it?
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Much congratulations to you and Rich! You have made the EV community proud.
This should go a long way in dispelling myths about EVs. I am glad you two
survived all the BS.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:19 PM
Subject: MG Update
All,
The build is complete!
The last Monster Garage will go down as a victory.
Though SEVER harasement in the form of explosives and expletives by the
crew,
the job was done with 15 minutes to spare. Madman and I left the set today
after revisiting to correct a couple of my wiring mistakes and smoking the
$500
tires of the meanest 4500lb EV around. The car was decent before we got
the
voltage right but is a downright hammer now. Many helped to make it
possible,
especially Ken Koch from KTA. I'll leave more details to others and the
show
itself but it was a heck of a good, bad, fun, horrendous, stressful time.
We
can't really control how the whole thing will be portrayed on the tube but
i'm
proud of the guys on the team for working hard and nonstop to start with a
piece of s__t car and design and install a complete drive (nose to tail)
and
control system, a never been tried series/parallel battery pack with over
1000
connections, and get it on the road in 4 days, all the whiled being
simultaneously shackled and ridden hard by those in charge.
NEXT UP - "The Challenge" The guy in the other lane is in trouble!
Shawn
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Hi Rush and All,
Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John's right... this is the forum.
I agree the EVDL is the forum. The knowledge here on EV's is the best
in the world period. Now we just need to make it available in one spot.
And if I remember correctly Shawn set up the wiki on www.evproduction.org. as
he just said. But that said the wiki site is really about Jerry's Freedom car,
or at least that is the only info on it. Nobody has actually really used the
site, added much to it in a couple months.
The main page, http://evproduction.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page says
"EVProduction.org is dedicated to collaboration regarding various projects to
bring a viable battery-powered electric vehicle into mass production in the
United States. Ideas discussed on these pages are "open source" - there are no
secrets here. ".
The site was set up for open source for building EV's either
helping those get into production or for open source info so others can build
their own.
The fact mine is the only one there is because no one else put
any up.
When it was started, I encouraged people to design, spec out
various EV's like a MC, Aero cabin MC, 3wh enclosed like the Freedom, 4wh EV
car, Pickup, Van and SUV and open source convversions.
But my production 3wheeler was the only one every got pased
the idea, talking stage. And there has been no secret about it's design as I've
probably bored many to death about it's details.
If I can help in any way like the body/chassis from composites
to make it much lighter, stronger and aerodynamics or 3wh dynamics or 2wh aero
cabin design, I'm happy to help. Other parts are either obvious or others
better at it than I am.
There are plenty like Bob Bath's, Steve Clunn's, ect that should
be brought together on one site as a place where there is a one stop showplace
for EV designs and where to find parts.
Most could be just URL's to already up sites for stuff already
done like adaptor plate specs, battery choices, ect with the designs on the
site.
On a couple other vehicle lists one guy has a thing he calls
Knowledge Base I'll ask him to share seems a good way to do it as a starting
point. It already has some EV stuff in it.
So I'm ready to help,
Jerry Dycus
That was one of the goals of our new group www.teva2.com but I don't want to
duplicate efforts and have the info spread out all over the net. So why don't
we just start using www.evproduction.org ? Just upload info that you think is
pertinent to 'open source' of an EV
I have also heard that EAA is planning to have a part of their site that is a
library of info about EV's.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "John G. Lussmyer"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Open source car development?
> At 02:27 PM 12/10/2005, Stefan Peters wrote:
>>Sounds like you are suggesting a forum & wiki (or something equivalent)...?
>
> Well, this list is the forum.
> I thought somebody had already put up an EV wiki somewhere?
>
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
>
>
>
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I've got a Auburn Kodiak 600 amp controller sitting in my garage that I
received when an AustinEV member cleaned out his EV garage.
It has a couple of burnt up resistors, including the big 5 watt
(precharge?) on the end of the board. I haven't tested it, but I
believe its completely non-functional.
If someone on the list has schematics and/or the skills to fix it its
yours for the cost of shipping (or less)
Send me an email off-list.
Thanks
Mark Farver
AustinEV.org
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FYI,
I am sure many of you already know how to solve this
issue but for those of us who haven't - the result is
that the lights are bright, the fan blows hard, and
the blinker is normal! I made the mod using two 220k
1/2W resistors in series. Now the voltage with key on
is; 13.07v with headlights on; 12.8v. The best part
is the AC/heater blower, the added 1.2 volts makes a
big difference. The resistor has to be from Trim to +S
and a jumper from +S to +OUT. The tabs are plated
circuit board material so I used blade connectors to
terminate the resistor and jumper. Now I just hope
the converter holds up.
Thanks for the help Myles.
jimmy
> Myles,
> Thanks! It is just what we needed.
> Jimmy
> > > From: "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Subject: RE: programming a vicor dc/dc
> > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:53:43 -0800
> >
> > Try this link:
> >
>
http://www.vicr.com/documents/applications_manual/05outputvolttrim.pdf
> > -Myles
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Behalf Of Jimmy
> > > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:35 PM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: programming a vicor dc/dc
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone have an install manual or know how
> to
> > > "program the output voltage" of a Vicor VI-51-CQ
> > dc/dc
> > > converter? These are the Solectria E10 (circa
> > 1995)
> > > converters and are running around 11.9 volts, we
> > would
> > > like to kick it up to at least 13v.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jimmy
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Jerry Dycus wrote:
> The site was set up for open source for building EV's either
> helping those get into production or for open source info so others can build
> their own.
> The fact mine is the only one there is because no one else put
> any up.
> When it was started, I encouraged people to design, spec out
> various EV's like a MC, Aero cabin MC, 3wh enclosed like the Freedom, 4wh EV
> car, Pickup, Van and SUV and open source convversions.
> But my production 3wheeler was the only one every got pased
> the idea, talking stage. And there has been no secret about it's design as
> I've probably bored many to death about it's details.
> If I can help in any way like the body/chassis from composites
> to make it much lighter, stronger and aerodynamics or 3wh dynamics or 2wh
> aero cabin design, I'm happy to help. Other parts are either obvious or
> others better at it than I am.
> There are plenty like Bob Bath's, Steve Clunn's, ect that
> should be brought together on one site as a place where there is a one stop
> showplace for EV designs and where to find parts.
> Most could be just URL's to already up sites for stuff already
> done like adaptor plate specs, battery choices, ect with the designs on the
> site.
> On a couple other vehicle lists one guy has a thing he calls
> Knowledge Base I'll ask him to share seems a good way to do it as a starting
> point. It already has some EV stuff in it.
> So I'm ready to help,
> Jerry Dycus
Thanks Jerry,
so there we go, we ev'rs have a page to put up all sorts of good info.
Shawn can you give us a primer in how to use it? I registered a user name, but
can't figure out how to put up files.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
www.TEVA2.com
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John's right... this is the forum.
Don't get me wrong, this list is invaluable and a tremendous resource, but not much in the way of
"How-To". And I wouldn't consider it very publicly accessible. Remember, most ppl using the
Internet have no idea what a mailing list even is. What I think some have basically suggested is a friendly,
easy to find "home" for the general or soon-to-be EV hobbyist to learn, research, and collaborate.
This list seems more of a "discussion room", which is where a mailing list shines anyways.
And if I remember correctly Shawn set up the wiki on www.evproduction.org. as
he just said. But that said the wiki site is really about Jerry's Freedom car,
or at least that is the only info on it. Nobody has actually really used the
site, added much to it in a couple months.
Let me give you a scenario: My brother-in-law stopped by to show me his new air-bag suspension he had put on
his Mazda pick-up. This is after he had retrofitted a Toyota chrome front bumper and some Nissan (if I
remember correctly) body panels along with a shaved tailgate/rear bumper. After all the [pfffstt] [lurch]
[sfffttppp] [hop] fun that is a home-brew air suspension with a C-notch, He asked about my Datsun Roadster.
"I'm planning on an electric conversion while restoring it, actually" I said. "What!? How are
you going to pull off that? Isn't it a bit complicated? Don't you need a bunch of special equipment and
tools? What, are you getting an electrician friend to help you?" (I still do some
construction/remodeling work on the weekends). I paused and replied: "No... It's easier then you think!
Come on, let me show you some stuff on the computer." I pulled up a White Zombie drag clip, and the
TZero one with the viper. Also that one with the sweeet little yellow roadster !
hotrod (I don't know the name), it has one heck of a hookup at the green. An EV dragster
is like watching a model rocket take off, very hypnotic in a way. So anyways, he starts
getting all impressed, interjects a past experience with an large industrial AC motor
while on a job-site ("That thing had massive amounts of torque, always thought it
would be cool to have that in your car"), and wants to look into it (EV conversions)
himself more.
So... where do I send him? He is a pretty typical modern day gear-head, knows
how to use a computer, but not heavy on free time. I said I would email him
some links to more information on electric conversions. He will probably like
some of the articles/interviews (John Wayland, NEDRA, that kind of stuff), not
particularly care about the Freedom EV project (no personal context for him),
and end up asking me most of his questions, which I will likely post on this
list, and *maybe* get a good answer, maybe not (depends on what the daily
topics are).
Think of how much a place for curious ppl to quickly and easily learn about how practical EVs
can be to *make* and drive would do for the cause? We need more & more EV conversions on
the road so everyday ppl can see how good it can be. This way there *is* a decent demand for
the first (next) production EVs. Think of how hotrod got started... no one thought you could
take an old junker, add some "yankee ingenuity" and some modified post-war aircraft
technology/parts, and have a 120+MPH salt flat screamer. But ppl kept doing it, and when
enough were driving around everyday so everyone else could see just how COOL and different it
could be, it became a cultural icon. Now how much are ppl willing to pay for a nice hotrod?
I think - if properly executed by those with experience and enthusiasm - that such
a community resource could help bring EV conversions to the masses. Think of it,
the next hotrod; thousands of garages around America where ppl are setting the
angle on their brushes to run just a few more amps so they can head down to the
local burger joint/diner and show off all that chrome & copper. (Ahhh, what a
dream, but it IS possible)
I'm sure all of the vendors would love the additional "traffic" more
conversions would create as well. (I know, bad pun)
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set ev mail
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Stefan Peters wrote:
> So... where do I send him? >
>
http://evproduction.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
might take a little time to get all the stuff there...
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
www.TEVA2.com
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Looks like I got several replys already. I'll end up sending it to the
first person who responded.
Thanks
Mark Farver
AustinEV.org
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Rush wrote:
Stefan Peters wrote:
So... where do I send him? >
http://evproduction.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
might take a little time to get all the stuff there...
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
www.TEVA2.com
I will send that link... I found it very interesting, (yet, I'm a bit of
a geek) but there is no How-To info there. No helpful tips or tricks. He
likely will click out pretty fast. I have some links for stuff like that
(kinda) but all are somewhat incomplete. Maybe the current structure of
what's available is helping to contribute to the "it's too technical"
image homebrew EVs and conversions have amongst our largest potential
group: existing gear-heads... ppl that enjoy messing around with their
cars, and are addicted to torque (not gas, BTW)
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Anyone know when it will be aired?
Dave Wilker
It is a sad day in this country when a family
can be torn apart by something as simple as wild dogs.
- Jack Handy
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:19 PM
Subject: MG Update
All,
The build is complete!
The last Monster Garage will go down as a victory.
Though SEVER harasement in the form of explosives and expletives by the
crew,
the job was done with 15 minutes to spare. Madman and I left the set today
after revisiting to correct a couple of my wiring mistakes and smoking the
$500
tires of the meanest 4500lb EV around. The car was decent before we got
the
voltage right but is a downright hammer now. Many helped to make it
possible,
especially Ken Koch from KTA. I'll leave more details to others and the
show
itself but it was a heck of a good, bad, fun, horrendous, stressful time.
We
can't really control how the whole thing will be portrayed on the tube but
i'm
proud of the guys on the team for working hard and nonstop to start with a
piece of s__t car and design and install a complete drive (nose to tail)
and
control system, a never been tried series/parallel battery pack with over
1000
connections, and get it on the road in 4 days, all the whiled being
simultaneously shackled and ridden hard by those in charge.
NEXT UP - "The Challenge" The guy in the other lane is in trouble!
Shawn
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From: "Mark Farver"
I've got a Auburn Kodiak 600 amp controller sitting in my garage that I
received when an AustinEV member cleaned out his EV garage.
It has a couple of burnt up resistors, including the big 5 watt
(precharge?) on the end of the board. I haven't tested it, but I believe
its completely non-functional.
If someone on the list has schematics and/or the skills to fix it its
yours for the cost of shipping (or less)
I think we could do better than that :-) I'll start by offering $50 plus
shipping ,
Steve Clunn
Send me an email off-list.
Thanks
Mark Farver
AustinEV.org
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Rumor I heard was February, but for more accuracy wait for Rich and Shawn to
get some sleep.
Roderick Wilde
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From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: MG Update
Anyone know when it will be aired?
Dave Wilker
It is a sad day in this country when a family
can be torn apart by something as simple as wild dogs.
- Jack Handy
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:19 PM
Subject: MG Update
All,
The build is complete!
The last Monster Garage will go down as a victory.
Though SEVER harasement in the form of explosives and expletives by the
crew,
the job was done with 15 minutes to spare. Madman and I left the set
today
after revisiting to correct a couple of my wiring mistakes and smoking
the $500
tires of the meanest 4500lb EV around. The car was decent before we got
the
voltage right but is a downright hammer now. Many helped to make it
possible,
especially Ken Koch from KTA. I'll leave more details to others and the
show
itself but it was a heck of a good, bad, fun, horrendous, stressful time.
We
can't really control how the whole thing will be portrayed on the tube
but i'm
proud of the guys on the team for working hard and nonstop to start with
a
piece of s__t car and design and install a complete drive (nose to tail)
and
control system, a never been tried series/parallel battery pack with over
1000
connections, and get it on the road in 4 days, all the whiled being
simultaneously shackled and ridden hard by those in charge.
NEXT UP - "The Challenge" The guy in the other lane is in trouble!
Shawn
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Bob Rice, et al:
Given the season, I hope that I can get away with a dumb question.
While I would have to agree with your analysis -- "That's why we
commoners stick with trannies." -- I have wondered about something.
It would seem from what I have read all the EV commoners tend to
accommodate to ICE trannies. As you say in your post, "I play with the
gears to find the "Sweet Spot" -- best speed, lowest amps."
What I have wondered is whether there is such a thing as a
transmission designed for an electric motor and whether anyone has
used such?
Any historians in the audience? Electric cars were made up until the
1930s, did anyone ever try designing a transmission for one or were
they all direct drive?
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Hi Mark,
If that controller is still available, I would like to get it.
How many volts does it handle?
Thanks,
Bill
Mark Farver wrote:
I've got a Auburn Kodiak 600 amp controller sitting in my garage that I
received when an AustinEV member cleaned out his EV garage.
It has a couple of burnt up resistors, including the big 5 watt
(precharge?) on the end of the board. I haven't tested it, but I
believe its completely non-functional.
If someone on the list has schematics and/or the skills to fix it its
yours for the cost of shipping (or less)
Send me an email off-list.
Thanks
Mark Farver
AustinEV.org
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On 12/10/05, Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn can you give us a primer in how to use it? I registered a user name,
> but can't figure out how to put up files.
Mostly you are editing right in the web browser, rather than putting
up files that you write offline.
Let's say you have some ideas in your head for a particular kind of
EV. Maybe you're going to call it the Albatross. (To choose a name
that's not very likely. :-) On the front page there is a section for
the Freedom EV, and then a section for Others. You could add a line
with a link to [[The Albatross]]. Click on the "edit" tab at the top
of the page to edit the text of the entire front page of the wiki, and
just add your new link. Any [[words inside double brackets]] will
become a hyperlink. So, by typing for example [[The Albatross]] you
are creating a new link to a page that does not yet exist, and the
title of that page will be The Albatross. It will be a red link, to
show that it doesn't exist yet.
After you create the link, save that page, and then click on the new
link you just created. Since it doesn't exist, you will be taken
directly to edit mode, so you can create the new page. And then, just
start typing, like you are writing an email about your new design for
the Albatross. You can pretty it up later. It is like writing an
email in that you should use a blank line (double carriage return) to
separate paragraphs, and do not use any carriage returns to end lines
- just let it wrap.
After that, any page that has [[The Albatross]] in it, will have a
link to your page. So one of the benefits of a wiki is that there can
be a lot of cross-linking, many possible paths that can be traversed.
Any time a page uses terms that lay people may not recognize, it's
good practice to make those terms into links, so that they can be
described or defined. And anytime you are reading a page and you see
a term which you do not understand, go ahead and make it into a link;
it will turn red, and this will invite others who know something to
provide the definition for you.
Anyone can edit any page at any time. But, this wiki preserves a
complete history, so you can always see a previous version of a page;
and this is why we do not have to worry about defacement - it's easy
to revert if undesirable changes are made. And it is required to make
an account and log in before you can edit anything, so that should
keep people honest. (This site was already abused by spammers and I
had to restrict it to logged-in users only.)
On the left side of every page is a Help link. Click that (or
right-click and open it in a new window) to get a basic primer about
the wiki syntax (how to include images within your pages, different
styles of text, making tables, hyperlinks to outside web pages, etc.)
And on this help page there is also a link to
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_User's_Guide
which is more complete documentation for this wiki software. It is
the same software that is used at wikipedia.org.
Wikipedia is a general-purpose online encyclopedia, like Britannica or
Grolier's or whatever but it is being written by anyone who wants to
contribute some information. Since it is a very busy project, with
lots of changes being made all the time, the articles are developing
into pretty good quality for the most part. (The biggest problem is
objectivity - sometimes people write some very biased opinionated
stuff, but others will discuss and dispute it, and eventually it gets
corrected.) There is some good EV content there already, and it could
use some more work as well.
The most important thing on evproduction.org is to choose very
specific names for the pages. E.g. if you are going to write a page
about the suspension for your Albatross, do NOT make a link like this:
[[suspension]]. Because there can only be one page on the whole site
with that title! And you are writing about the suspension for your
EV, not about every suspension on every car in the world. So be
descriptive and try not to have titles for pages be too short. Longer
is better, and the title should be just as specific as the content
that you are going to write in that page. So make the link like this:
[[supension for the Albatross|suspension]]. The page will have a
nice descriptive title, but the link will still say simply
"suspension" (since you are putting the link in a page about the
Albatross).
At the top of the wiki, after you have logged in, you will see links like this
Rutledge My talk Preferences My watchlist My contributions Log out
If you click on your username (mine is Rutledge) you can write a
biography page about yourself. "My talk" is like a blog; you can
ramble on about random topics that don't otherwise fit anywhere else.
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Well, it's almost an EV.
Thanks to a link on Jerry Halstead's site,
I was inspired to rip out the noisy, smelly, leaky, disgusting
2-cycle engine from my snowblower....
(I later realized the leak is probably a simple hose).
My new blog here: http://www.pachai.net/ev/index.php
Note, I have lots more pictures and how-to coming...when
a) it really works as desired and
b) I learn how to use the blog and
c) I learn how to use the Gimp to clean up my pictures.
d) I learn not to stay up till 2 am.
PS notice the index.php is needed.
If anyone knows how to rewire a LAMP, I'd welcome help here.
The log says "file not found ...../www.pachai.net/ev/index.php"
if I omit the index.php from the URL. Duh, apache, look again....
www.pachai.net works fine.
Thanks
Seth
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On 12/10/05, Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The machine is a new SuperMicro P4 3.2GHz - 1MB cache - 800FSB with 2GB
> interleaved DDR 400 and two mirrored 36GB 10Krpm SATA150 drives and
> Intel PRO/1000MT networking.
How do you score a machine like that and hosting for free? Can you
really do it indefinitely?
evproduction.org is hosted at dreamhost.com. I paid ahead for a
couple years and consider it a donation to the community in general,
and to help the Freedom EV project along. It is a "virtual machine" -
I can install whatever software I want on it, and there is plenty of
disk space etc. Has always seemed to perform well enough to me, but
it's not a dedicated machine. (I have run web sites on much slower
machines in the past, too. A web server is not a very demanding piece
of software.)
> 2. A domain - I would suggest the domains "evforge.org" + "evforge.net".
> I can register those if you want
I could also point them to this wiki if people like that name better
than evproduction.org. It is a pretty good name, potentially
encompassing open-source "production" as well as one-offs and
conversions.
BTW Make Magazine (a new O'Reilly publication intended for people who
like to make stuff at home - electronics mostly) had an article
proposing an "open source car" in their very first edition. They also
have a web site, and I posted a link there to evproduction.org.
Thought it might drum up some interest, but not sure if it did much.
http://www.makezine.com/01/car/
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Ryan Stotts wrote:
>Is it just my eyes or is there a REALLY big motor in
>that pic? Why is it in there and what do you attach to
>the end of it?
My guess is that it is a synchronous AC motor(also called
synchronous capacitor or synchronous condensor). These are
used to supply reactive power for a system and do so when
overexcited. This allows for power factor correction and
from that increased efficiency.
You can model the behavior of the mentioned motor from the
following equation via Kirchoff's voltae law:
(phase voltage) = (armature voltage) + j * (synchronous
reactance) * (armature current)
j is the imaginary constant.
If you are supplying a certain amount of power and it is at
leading or lagging power factor, the closer you get that
power factor to 1.0, the greater your efficiency will be.
Although if the motor in the pic is not a synchronous AC
motor, I'm sure Jukka will clarify what it is and its
purpose.
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Stefan Peters wrote:
>So... where do I send him? He is a pretty typical
>modern day gear-head, knows how to use a computer, but
>not heavy on free time.
Stefan, here is some how to information on where to get
started if thinking of a conversion, that may not be
accurate, as it was written by myself and I have yet to
complete an EV, but so far no once's complained about any
inaccuracies(if present, and they may very well be):
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic9721.html
The above link will also lead him to many other links that
will expand upon the things covered in brief in the link
above.
Here is an EXCELLENT wikibook article on converting an EV
that is a must read:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Electric_Vehicle_Conversion
And if your brother in law wants to see more high powered
electric cars raping gassers, scaring old ladies, making as
much noise as an electric car can muster, terrorizing law
enforcement, and causing a general overall ruckus, go to the
following post I wrote that references every performance
claim on the posted EVs people have built, along with photos
and videos(Note: info on White Zombie and Blue Meanie is
outdated, both have increased performance and range now):
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic8987.html
The pic of our very own Madman giving the thumbs up at the
inch-thick layer of rubber in the link above(courtesy of one
White Zombie) is priceless. <g>
And a little OT, but if he is interested in the politics of
EVs and my theory of why they aren't available, he may want
to check an article I wrote at the following link(warning,
contains plenty of my own libertarian rantings and biases,
and thus I have refrained from ever posting the actual
article on this list. Anyone is free to email me personally
if they have any suggestions, complaints, or other feedback.
I gave this as a presentation at my University early this
year.):
http://www.visforvoltage.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=1881&s=05745d2c28f4f05be32f8504359aa6d4
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