EV Digest 5605
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) More PHEV thoughts / questions
by Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Prius PHEV, was Re: Valence Technology Batteries
by "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: air conditioning for ev's
by "Robert Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Altrax Sepex voltage
by "Mark E. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: air conditioning for ev's
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Used and Surplus Motors
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: White Zombie PIR June 30th & New DC-DC
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Motor freq question
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Tachometer
by "Peter Shabino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: looking for an EV car builder
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Need Help Quick on EV Poster
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Looking for EV project web log recommendations
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Dragtimes Featured Car Vote Too Close...VOTE!
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: isolated Charger
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: Prius PHEV, was Re: Valence Technology Batteries
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: air conditioning for ev's
by "Peter Shabino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Fortu (WAS: Valence Technology Batteries)
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: air conditioning for ev's
by "Lewis, Brian K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Dragtimes Featured Car Vote Too Close...VOTE!
by "gail donaldson lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: air conditioning for ev's
by "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: air conditioning for ev's
by "Lewis, Brian K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Dragtimes Featured Car Vote Too Close...VOTE!
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Victory!
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Victory!
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Rustbelt/Manufacturing area of Ohio & PA get no WKTEC. (Who killed the EV)
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Looking for EV project web log recommendations
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Dragtimes Featured Car Vote Too Close...VOTE!
by "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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With all the discussions on PHEV, I am getting a good education. I have 3
thoughts on how one might make a Prius a true dual mode car (fully electric or
fully ICE with the existing hybrid system intact depending on the available SOC
of the battery) over a complete range of speeds (breaking the 34 MPH barrier).
Some others have probably already thought about and even tried this, but it is
my 2 cents worth.
1. Run the car in EV mode between 0 - 34 MPH. Once at 34 MPH, leave the car
in drive and supply power to a rear mounted motor specifically geared to drive
the rear wheels only when the car is at speeds between 30 and 70 MPH. The car
will automatically think it is coasting and decompress the ICE and turn off the
fuel supply. I read that you will lose about 1kw of by spinning the
decompressed ICE. Not too bad. But, this is pretty invasive and will require
some major reconstruction of the rear end of the car to add on a powered axle.
But, it appears that it will work and will give you true all electric power at
speeds > 34 MPH, and will not destroy the existing motor in the car.
2. Somehow overtake the motor controls and other controls and find a way to
manually decompress the ICE, shut off the fuel supply, and drive the existing
electric motor (it is 50 KW after all) from a completely seperate control
system over 34 MPH. You will still be spinning the decompressed ICE. Has
anyone removed all the gas from their Prius (accidentally or intentionally) and
decompressed the ICE (by removing the spark plugs and ignition system or
something like that) and seen what happens? Would it run up to say 50 MPH ????
Now doing this on the fly would be pretty difficult, but I am sure someone can
figure it out.
3. Add gearing between the transaxle and front wheels to trick the car into
thinking it is going 34 MPH when you are actually going 60 MPH. This would be
like using "big tires". Big tires is an idea, but it probably won't get you
more than about 10% because where are you going to find a tire (that you can
physically mount on the car) that has a radii of 50% more than the existing
tires. 10% maybe, 50%, I don't think so.
Then, there is always the wait and see. What will Toyota do in 2008? Will
they solve the issue for us with some design improvements?
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Doug;
How about getting these on the EV Photo Album.
Like to see what they look like, especially the mini-pickup.
Dennis
Elsberry, MO
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From: Doug Hartley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Prius PHEV, was Re: Valence Technology Batteries
12:35 AM, EDT
The 2 EVs are:
1) a '93 Skoda 5 door hatchback, originally 84V with 14 6V flooded
batteries, now with a 96V hybrid battery pack consisting of 28 cells 100
A-hr Thunder Sky Lithium ion and 8 Interstate DCS-75 12V AGM batteries.
It has for now a 4.5kw roof-rack mounted generator: eCycle MG30 PM BLDC
& 3-phase bridge and Honda 6.5HP GX-200 electric start engine. This
generator will be replaced soon by a 5kw one better matching the
increased pack voltage, made with an eCycle MGA-2-36 and Robin Subaru
EX-21 7HP OHC engine.
(weighs about 70 pounds, dimensions about 14" x 16" x 14"H.)
2) a '94 Skoda mini-pickup, battery pack just recently changed to 11 of
4-DM-146 8V sealed AGM, for 88V nominal. These are part of a shipment
of
6V and 8V golf cart size AGM batteries that I imported from Sacred Sun,
China, for evaluation for future distribution. It has a 12V "turbo
boost"
that adds 12V to the battery pack by a SPDT contactor (and protection
diode for the NC contact) switching in a 12V battery for extra
acceleration and speed briefly without shifting. The 14kw generator
mounted underneath in the back is an eCycle MGA-3-36, with 210Amp
3-phase bridge and driven by a Honda 24HP GX-670 V-twin electric start
engine. (weighs about 150 pounds, dimensions about 18" cube)
I am the eCycle distributor for their products for Canada and for EV
range extender uses for anywhere, and build generators for EVs (and
renewable Energy systems) to order.
Best Regards,
Doug
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From: "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:39 PM
Subject: Prius PHEV, was Re: Valence Technology Batteries
> What are these ? What generatore are you using ??
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I have 2 other electric vehicles (with range extender generators),
>
>
>
>
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Why not just open the windows! :-)
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: air conditioning for ev's
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:24:40 -0700
I have also been thinking about how I am gonna do AC, I have teh
compressor but I put batteries where the condensor was :-(
I plan to try 1 liter coke bottles one set in the freezer at work and
one set int the freazer at home and an icechest setting in the passenger
seat until I can find a 2004+ prius AC compressor. It runs near pack
voltage(I'll want a controller) and is very efficient. I will then
relocate the condensor to the area where the fuel tank was and put an
electric fan and a really good grill on it. These must be coke bottles
not pepsi because the coke bottles have the shape to allow air passage. :-)
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But I thought Altrax only went up to 48V for SepEx? Does anyone know of a 72V
SepEx version?
Best Regards,
Mark
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
[email protected] Subject: Re: need Curtis 1221R manual Date: Wed,
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These 1221Rs were not a shunt/sepex controllers like certain models of
Alltrax. They ran series wound DC motors, usually Kostovs with interpole
windings to reduce arcing in regen and were usually timed in neutral. I hope
this helps. Roderick Roderick Wilde, President, EV Parts Inc.
Your Online EV Superstore www.evparts.com
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Thermo electric modules are terribly ineffient. :-(
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What is it about this motor....
The iron.
A dc motor has solid back iron, the freq is zero and the
magnetic direction is constant so no loss in switching magnetic
direction(eddie currents induced by changeing magnetic field)
An AC motor built for low freq has laminated low carbon steal
to prevent eddie currents from building heat and reducing magnetic
field. These can be pushed to 120hz with a de-rating. That is not
counting the PWM freq that can be as high as 20khz.
An inverter grade has better insulation on the wire to handle
the spikey voltage transients and the laminations go to a differnt
material to furthor reduce the eddie current losses. They are usually
thinner and have an insulating coating to keep the magnetic path laminar.
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I've been thinking of doing the same thing, but the 375 volt units are hard to
come by (in my
price range.) What I have found are the more standard 300 volt units. These are
used in most of
the Vicor power supplies. I was thinking of using two units, one on each half
of my pack. If I can
parallel the outputs (so they evenly share the load) I'm hoping it won't
unbalance the pack. The
300 volt units have a reasonable input range for a split pack. I was also
considering using a pair
of their switching power supplies. A lot more moving parts, and probably less
efficient.
Dave Cover
--- Chris Brune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> I only made one... The modules are pretty expensive, $263 plus shipping.
>
> The Vicor module I used is a V375A15E600BL. I added reverse polarity diodes
> on the input and output to protect against an inadvertant mis-wiring. I
> also added 2uF of film cap to the input. Output voltage adjustment is done
> with some creative use of the scaling resistors feeding the SC pin.
>
> The heatsink/enclosure/connectors were canibalized from a different product.
>
> The data sheet for the Vicor module really has all the information you need
> about how to use the module.
>
> If others are interested in having the module put into an enclosure with the
> extras that I did for John I can build more, but I'd have to make some money
> to cover my time and expenses. Ball park I'd say about $550 each.... All
> proceeds more than likely going towards a Zilla.
>
> If you are interested let me know. I would like to get a little feedback
> from John before committing to too much at this point. I kind of rushed my
> testing because John indicated he would be racing this week.
>
> Also, if the intention is to use this in a car where the draw is more than
> 20A it will be necessary to add a fan, or rethink the enclosure. This unit
> has a significant amount of waste heat.
>
> Also, the unit does draw a significant amount of quiescent current when it
> is on (about 30mA). So you need to switch it off when not in use for long
> periods of time (like overnight?).
>
> Regards,
> Chris Brune
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > --- John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > My friend Chris Brune surprised me with a DC-DC he put together for
> > > White Zombie. It's heart is a 600 watt Vicor module, but Chris set it up
> > > inside a compact, pro-looking heatsink/chassis complete with 'factory
> > > look' multiple pin plug-in harnesses. The package only weighs about a
> > > pound and a half. It runs from 226V - 445V, but can go as high as 500V
> > > without damage, and, it can dip below 226V without damage. The unit
> >
> > Chris, did you make more than one? Can you make another? Are you willing
> to share the plans? I've
> > been searching high and low for a dc-dc with these specs, to no avail.
> This one looks like the
> > cat's meow.
> >
> > Dave Cover
> >
>
>
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The armature of our faithful 9" motor has coils that change polarity r
times per revolution, at each brush, right?
So that at 6000 rpm that is 24000 changes / 60 = 800hz ???
Why do we get away with this? What would happen if we were to rebuild
this armature with M19-c5 laminations?
Should be reduced loss at higher rpms, a less steep torque rpm graph?
I must be missing something or the motor's most effient point would be
about 1000rpm.
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Well deleted the thread before I found the magazine...
So for whoever was looking for a tach the May 2006 issue of Nuts and Volts
magazine has a digital tachometer circuit. If you cannot find a copy let me
know.
Later,
Wire
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Mike, you might want to tell what state/city you're in...
If in So. Oregon, I'd be interested in assisting.
peace,
mike phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is anyone on this list for hire to convert/build a vehicle, start to finish?
I'm looking to set up a relationship and find out pricing for someone to
build possibly multiple EV vehicles for a project I'm working on.
Thanks,
Mike Phillips
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Suggest you download my powerpoint presentation. There will be pics of EV-1,
EV-Plus, Toyota RAV4EV, Nissan Altra, as well as my Civicwithacord.
Try the link below, and hope it helps!
Sincerely,
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I was contacted by the planners for the Alaska Renewable Energy Fair to
review and make recommendations for their poster highlighting EV's. They are
making one for each type of alternatively powered vehicles. The EV poster seems
ho-hum. Except for the picture of my truck its not very informative and may be
counter productive. Does anyone have, or has anyone seen a good "one size fits
all" poster advertising Electric Vehicles. I'm working on some good "one
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I wouldn't characterize mine as a blog, but more of a completed journal, if
you're interested. Follow the link below, and click on
civicwithacordjournal.htm
peace,
Michael Mohlere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good site for putting together a web log (w/ photos)
of an EV conversion, as I would like to document mine from start to finish.
I was thinking that cardomain.com might be the way to go, but figured you
folks might have some other ideas.
Thx, Mike
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Hello to All,
Where's all the EVDL support for Matt? Yeah, we managed to squeeze his
car back ahead of the Mustang, but his vote count only went up by a mere
30 votes or so. This, after I got about 10 others who aren't even
staunch EV fans to go vote, meaning that only 20 or so from this EVDL
actually put out an effort to vote. I'll drum up an extra 10 votes
today, so I alone will be responsible for about 20 votes today. If I can
get this done, surely it's not asking too much for the 1000+ EVDL
members to hit a few buttons on their computer keyboards, is it?
If only a fraction of the EV fans on this list voted, Matt's vote count
should go up by 100 votes per day. This is a big deal to have an
electric car featured, as is the case right now with Rod's Maniac Mazda!
I just voted this morning, but Matt's car is only 12 votes ahead at
4154 compared to the Mustang's 4142. Only today and tomorrow are left
before the July car of the month is chosen. It would be a shame to see
Matt's car lose this close race for the spotlight that 1000's of folks
view. Please, take a whole 30 seconds to vote...it's that easy.
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Hello Robert,
It is best to leave the car frame AC grounded if you do not have a GFCI
protection circuit or even a ground detection circuit.
A ground detection circuit is a industrial device, that can either detect if a
ground wire is connected to a chassis or if it is disconnected from the
chassis.
We use the ground detection circuit for detecting a ground wire connection to a
chassis in a full isolated AC circuits. If there is a fault, it then
disconnects the AC power using a AC contactor or a power circuit breaker.
If your charger and batteries are in a open frame steel compartments, it is
best to AC ground the frame. In my case, My charger and batteries are
DOUBLE-DOUBLE-DOUBLE-DOUBLE-DOUBLE-DOUBLE (six times) from the frame of the EV.
Between the case of the batteries, there is a layer of acid proof epoxy
coating, 1/4 inch fiberglass, 2 inches of DOW Corning Blue foam, cover with a
1/2 inch nylon marine rug, 4 inches of air space, another lay of 1/2 inch nylon
marine rug, 2 inches of Blue foam, which is glue on a bed liner plastic coating
on the steel liner box.
It uses a industrial double insulated water tight power connector that is also
inside a Power Anderson water tight housing.
When charging, the DC battery + and - is disconnected from the main contactor
and controller by two safety contactors that are the same size as the main
contactor.
Also when not charging, the charger DC output is disconnected from the
batteries.
In a full isolated system, it like charging the batteries outside the EV.
I used a 50 amp switch to disconnect the AC ground from the chassis, ONLY when
I do live shunt test of the battery connectors, which is done to check the
torque of the battery connectors. Only do this if you have a ground detection
system that detects any current flow from any one of the battery terminals to
the frame of the vehicle, or using a GFCI on board circuit breaker which will
detect a ground path through a person to a conductive path on a un-insulated
floor surface.
At the time the EV frame is AC un-grounded, the GFCI will not detected a
current flow to the EV frame, but will still detect a un-balance current flow
between the power lines, which will still trip the GFCI or if a person is
grounded to another AC ground source.
In a full isolation installation in a explosion proof areas, the conduits
containing the isolated circuits, is not grounded to the isolated ground wire.
The color code of isolated ground wires, are green-yellow. In this type of
circuit, if a line wire shorts to the conduit, it will not arc, which could
cause a explosion if hydrogen or fuel vapors are present.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Chew<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: isolated Charger
is it safe to do this:
My car has a common ground. if i was to charge using a non-isolated charger
like the PFC, can i jsut disconnect the common earth wire through the use of
a relay. So that the automotive relay just connects the earth wire of the
traction pack to the car chassis with the key ignition being turned on.
And then have the car chassis earthed while charging.
Cheers
What you all think?
>From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>Reply-To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
>Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:09:21 -0700
>
>If the traction pack and the auxiliary pack are isolated from chassis
>ground, you may do it.
>
>If the traction pack and the accessory battery are tied together at chassis
>ground, you will need an isolation transformer to do it.
>
>You should earth the chassis when charging.
>
>Joe Smalley
>Rural Kitsap County WA
>Fiesta 48 volts
>NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:27 AM
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>Can you use a PFC Charger (non-isolated) with a EV that has a common ground
>between the traction pack and the Auxillary pack.
>
>If so, do you have to ground the PFC charger case (Ac Earth) to the car
>chassis (the car is AC earthed while charging).
>
>On the other hand.
>Cheers
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They are there under Skoda, but need some updating.
Doug
>
> From: "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/06/29 Thu AM 07:43:11 EST
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: Prius PHEV, was Re: Valence Technology Batteries
>
> Doug;
>
> How about getting these on the EV Photo Album.
> Like to see what they look like, especially the mini-pickup.
>
> Dennis
> Elsberry, MO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Hartley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:36 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Prius PHEV, was Re: Valence Technology Batteries
>
> 12:35 AM, EDT
>
> The 2 EVs are:
> 1) a '93 Skoda 5 door hatchback, originally 84V with 14 6V flooded
> batteries, now with a 96V hybrid battery pack consisting of 28 cells 100
> A-hr Thunder Sky Lithium ion and 8 Interstate DCS-75 12V AGM batteries.
> It has for now a 4.5kw roof-rack mounted generator: eCycle MG30 PM BLDC
> & 3-phase bridge and Honda 6.5HP GX-200 electric start engine. This
> generator will be replaced soon by a 5kw one better matching the
> increased pack voltage, made with an eCycle MGA-2-36 and Robin Subaru
> EX-21 7HP OHC engine.
> (weighs about 70 pounds, dimensions about 14" x 16" x 14"H.)
>
> 2) a '94 Skoda mini-pickup, battery pack just recently changed to 11 of
> 4-DM-146 8V sealed AGM, for 88V nominal. These are part of a shipment
> of
> 6V and 8V golf cart size AGM batteries that I imported from Sacred Sun,
> China, for evaluation for future distribution. It has a 12V "turbo
> boost"
> that adds 12V to the battery pack by a SPDT contactor (and protection
> diode for the NC contact) switching in a 12V battery for extra
> acceleration and speed briefly without shifting. The 14kw generator
> mounted underneath in the back is an eCycle MGA-3-36, with 210Amp
> 3-phase bridge and driven by a Honda 24HP GX-670 V-twin electric start
> engine. (weighs about 150 pounds, dimensions about 18" cube)
>
> I am the eCycle distributor for their products for Canada and for EV
> range extender uses for anywhere, and build generators for EVs (and
> renewable Energy systems) to order.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:39 PM
> Subject: Prius PHEV, was Re: Valence Technology Batteries
>
>
> > What are these ? What generatore are you using ??
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have 2 other electric vehicles (with range extender generators),
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Yep but I live in MN so I only need to use it for 2 days out of the year and
mostly only to knock the moisture out of the air. ;)
later,
Wire
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: air conditioning for ev's
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:19:52 -0700
Thermo electric modules are terribly ineffient. :-(
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Anybody know what's happening with Fortu Li-ion cells (www.fortu.de)? Their
web site now just redirects you do a contact page.
Also, I saw a company called "Li-ion Cells" in Menlo Park mentioned in the
news. I couldn't find a web site for them. Anyone have any info?
Thanks.
Bill Dennis
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Not that funny.
I live in Texas. I have lived w/o ac in my EV for 6 years now. When I
show my car I still have people turn their nose up at the idea of no AC
and they leave with the mindset you can't have AC in an EV.
Building an electric was in part just to show that I could. Now I need
to add AC for the same reason.
If I park in a Garage no AC is tolerable in the summer. If not it is a
long hot drive.
Brian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Chew
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: air conditioning for ev's
Why not just open the windows! :-)
>From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: air conditioning for ev's
>Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:24:40 -0700
>
>I have also been thinking about how I am gonna do AC, I have teh
>compressor but I put batteries where the condensor was :-(
>
>I plan to try 1 liter coke bottles one set in the freezer at work and
>one set int the freazer at home and an icechest setting in the
passenger
>seat until I can find a 2004+ prius AC compressor. It runs near pack
>voltage(I'll want a controller) and is very efficient. I will then
>relocate the condensor to the area where the fuel tank was and put an
>electric fan and a really good grill on it. These must be coke bottles
>not pepsi because the coke bottles have the shape to allow air passage.
:-)
>
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I tried, but three times got a message to enter a number shown in a box for
confirmation and all three times was told it was not correct. Granted I am
not the world's greatest typist but I am not that inept. Would anyone care
to offer a suggestion as to what I am doing wrong?
Gail
> [Original Message]
> From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 6/29/2006 6:47:21 AM
> Subject: Dragtimes Featured Car Vote Too Close...VOTE!
>
>> John Wayland wrote:
>
> > Please, go here to support your tireless EV drag racers, and VOTE:
> >
> > http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-240SX-Timeslip-7382.html
>
>
>
> See Ya.....John Wayland
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All -
I live in Huntsville, AL and it is THAT hot here as well. The humidity in
the summer is consistently 75%+, and the temperature is generally in the
90s. Doing w/out a/c, as you so pointedly put it, really is NOT an option.
I am in the process of converting a Chevy S10 and, for the sake of putting
the best "EV" foot forward, I will put a/c in it - range and acceleration
will just have to suffer!!!
Mike
From: "Lewis, Brian K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: air conditioning for ev's
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:30:39 -0500
Not that funny.
I live in Texas. I have lived w/o ac in my EV for 6 years now. When I
show my car I still have people turn their nose up at the idea of no AC
and they leave with the mindset you can't have AC in an EV.
Building an electric was in part just to show that I could. Now I need
to add AC for the same reason.
If I park in a Garage no AC is tolerable in the summer. If not it is a
long hot drive.
Brian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Chew
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: air conditioning for ev's
Why not just open the windows! :-)
>From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: air conditioning for ev's
>Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:24:40 -0700
>
>I have also been thinking about how I am gonna do AC, I have teh
>compressor but I put batteries where the condensor was :-(
>
>I plan to try 1 liter coke bottles one set in the freezer at work and
>one set int the freazer at home and an icechest setting in the
passenger
>seat until I can find a 2004+ prius AC compressor. It runs near pack
>voltage(I'll want a controller) and is very efficient. I will then
>relocate the condensor to the area where the fuel tank was and put an
>electric fan and a really good grill on it. These must be coke bottles
>not pepsi because the coke bottles have the shape to allow air passage.
:-)
>
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Were can I find out more about the TEC concept?
My car did not have a working AC when I got it so I am starting from
ground zero.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Murray
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: air conditioning for ev's
wow that sound really kludgy, although I'd probably try something like
that.. You might look into using thermoelectric (TEC) modules, they are
very power inefficient, but they can produce very cold temps. Me thinks
one could use a TEC to cool water, and pump the cold water through the
existing heater system in a car and get cold air out the vents. The
beauty of the TEC is reverse the polarity, and it will then be a heater,
so you solve two problems at once.
Jack
Jody Dewey wrote:
> It is actually cheaper to get a window unit. I bought a 10,000 btu
window
> unit for $199 that runs on 115VAC. I will be trying to run it off of
an
> inverter to see if it runs OK. Startup current is the hardest part to
get
> to work. If it does, you can bet that I will be installing it in my
car.
> This unit has auto temp control, remote fan operation, and is pretty
quiet
> for its size. It only weighs 75 pounds also.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Danny Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:40 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: air conditioning for ev's
>
>
> The "portable" AC units I have seen are 3-port units. That is, it
takes
> in cooled air from the room, uses it to cool the condenser, and
exhausts
> it. It's a horrifically inefficient and ineffective cycle because
> somewhere the room has to draw in hot outside air to feed it. It can
> actually make the room warmer. In a well sealed room, the pressure
will
> drop slightly and the condenser fan will simply stop moving air and
the
> unit stops working.
>
> Window units are 4-port systems, which makes a lot more sense. You
> might also be able to modify a "portable" unit to be a 4-port.
>
> You need quite a few BTUs to be "adequate". I'm not clear on how many
> BTU it takes to equal a normal sedan's system but I think it's
something
> like 10k BTU.
>
> Danny
>
> Jody Dewey wrote:
>
>
>>Just get a portable air conditioner and run it off your 12V bus with
an AC
>>inverter. You will have to take it apart to make it fit in the car
but
>
> they
>
>>are more than adequate.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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gail donaldson lucas wrote:
I tried, but three times got a message to enter a number shown in a box for
confirmation and all three times was told it was not correct. Granted I am
not the world's greatest typist but I am not that inept. Would anyone care
to offer a suggestion as to what I am doing wrong?
You need to have cookies and javascript turned on in your browser for it
to work.
Mark
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Charger is done!
The charger had just one bad solder joint on one of the relay pins.
When I pushed down on the relay the arcing and sparking occured. So I
undoldered the old relay and took it apart. The contacts were not that
pitted. I'm going to use both of these relays as backups. Two new ones
were installed.
So last night the charger put out it's incredible 2.3 amps at 296v.
The batts are probably only 70% charged. But it was midnight and I
needed to sleep.
Although the truck is done, I need it to test other boards. So it will
stay undriveable for a while.
Mike
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The next step is that I found the charger telemetry on the main board.
What that means is the info that the charger gets about the pack
voltage can be modified to react to an external signal. Such as
feedback from a clamper/regulator. So the charger can be throttle back
when needed. Most handy for equalizing. Hopefully I can make it
throttle back in steps.
Mike
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Cincinati is the only Ohio showing & Pittsburgh gets none. They must think
this area of Ohio and Eastern PA is a bunch of hicks. I beg to differ. My
relatives have had a paddle wheel generator for thirty years on their local
stream(on their property) My uncle has used his 40 acre stand of hardwood to
run his heating for 20 years. A hot fired water system. These are just the
smart and inventive kind of people who have serviced industry for years that
have the skills to build electrics. My uncles and cousins can weld, do
electrical installations, run a backhoe and multiple other tasks that
require grunt and enough brains not to kill yourself with an out of control
machine that was probably operator error in the first place. My uncles also
owned a cement/block plant and did quite well for themselves. They always
had nice houses & cars & I bet if given the chance would have bought an
electric. These are no nonsense people that if shown a good product will
buy one or make it themselves. . Lawrence Rhodes....
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Not my site, just a happy user. It does have blog software (although
I don't think anyone has used it yet). You can only access it if you
have been set up with an account for posting a web page.
--- Michael Mohlere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thx. I may end up posting there - I am specifically looking for a
> site that
> contains some type of "web log" app that can create the pages in a
> wysiwyg
> fashion, to include photos - looks like your site is just providing
> the web
> space, correct??
>
> >From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: Looking for EV project web log recommendations
> >Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:02:27 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> ><http://www.evforge.net> -- it's purpose is to provide free
> hosting
> >for conversion web sites. No ads, either, really nice!
> >
> >Not a ton of content yet, but here is my page on it:
> >
> ><http://9Electric.evforge.net>
> >
> >--- Michael Mohlere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Can anyone recommend a good site for putting together a web log
> (w/
> > > photos)
> > > of an EV conversion, as I would like to document mine from
> start to
> > > finish.
> > > I was thinking that cardomain.com might be the way to go, but
> > > figured you
> > > folks might have some other ideas.
> > >
> > > Thx, Mike
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Each time that I have gone there I have got the impression that it would be
very hard for someone with poor eyesight
or colorblindedness to discern what those numbers were....
I'm not implying you have either of those traits, I'm just making an
observation.
So far for me the number has always been a 5 digit string of numbers and at
least one of them has been extremely
difficult for me to see even with my perfect vision.
So.... make sure you can make out 5 numbers and enter them in the order they
appear. Other than that...I have no advice.
--
Stay Charged!
Hump
"Ignorance is treatable, with a good prognosis. However, if left untreated, it
develops into Arrogance, which is often
fatal. :-)" -- Lee Hart
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send a request to ryan at evsourcecom
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of gail donaldson lucas
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:01 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Dragtimes Featured Car Vote Too Close...VOTE!
>
>
> I tried, but three times got a message to enter a number shown in a box for
> confirmation and all three times was told it was not correct. Granted I am
> not the world's greatest typist but I am not that inept. Would anyone care
> to offer a suggestion as to what I am doing wrong?
>
> Gail
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Date: 6/29/2006 6:47:21 AM
>> Subject: Dragtimes Featured Car Vote Too Close...VOTE!
>>
>>> John Wayland wrote:
>>
>> > Please, go here to support your tireless EV drag racers, and VOTE:
>> >
>> > http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-240SX-Timeslip-7382.html
>>
>>
>>
>> See Ya.....John Wayland
>
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