<smacks self on forehead> For the Insight and the Civic there is an OBDIIC&C reader that plugs into the OBD port.
Here is a link to 'what' it shows, the thread is over 175 pages long, but the first page says it all http://www.insightcentral.net/forums/modifications-technical-issues/20488-ob diic-c-gauge.html IMA All Cars 00 "Wam","W Phase Amps +/-310A" 01 "Vam","V Phase Amps +/-310A" 02 "Uam","U Phase Amps +/-310A" 03 "Tam","Total Phase Amps " 04 "Mam","MDM Amps +/-250A " 05 "Mvo","MDM Voltage " 06 "Ikw","IMA Request Kw " 07 "Eto","Engine Torque " 08 "Mte","MDM Temperature " 09 "Dte","DC-DC Temperature " 0A "Bvo","IMA Battery Voltage " 0B "Mor","Motor Speed Rpm " 0C "Soc","IMA Battery Soc 16Bt" 0D "Bam","IMA Battery Amps " 0E "Bte","IMA Battery Avg Temp" 0F "Hvi","IMA HV Insulation " 10 "12v","12V Battery Voltage " 11 "Spd","Vehicle Speed Km/Mph" 12 "Soc","IMA Battery Soc 8Bit" 13 "Mto","IMA Motor Torque Nm " 14 "Isb","IMA Standby Signal %" 15 "Alf","Assist Limit Flag " 16 "Rlf","Regen Limit Flag " 17 "Bfs","Battery Fan Slow Flg" 18 "Bff","Battery Fan Fast Flg" 19 "Imt","IMA Trgt Amps 0-255A" 1A "Hvc","HV Contactor Status " 1B "Bpc","Bypass Contactor St " 1C "Iml","IMA Lamp Stat On/Off" 1D "Mpo","MPI Fan OnOff Status" 1E "Mpf","MPI Fan FastSlow Sta" 1F "Mdf","MDM Fail Flag Status" 20 "Dci","DC-DC Inhibitor Stat" 21 "Igh","Ignition Hold Relay " 22 "Igr","Ignition Hold Return" 23 "Abs","ABS Action Status " 24 "Scs","SCS Line Status " 25 "Hvr","HV Contactor Return " 26 "Bpr","BP Contactor Return " 27 "D40","IMADTC Data 16 Bytes" 28 "D50","IMADTC Data 16 Bytes" 29 "D60","IMADTC Data 08 Bytes" 2A "MCM","MCM Version Number " US ECM 64 "Rpm","Engine Speed Rpm " 65 "Spd","Vehicle Speed Kmh " 66 "Brf","Brake Switch " 67 "Stf","Starter Switch " 68 "Vtf","Vtec Oil Switch " 69 "Vts","Vtec Solenoid Status" 6A "Acs","Air Con Switch " 6B "Acc","AirCon Clutch Switch" 6C "Imo","Imobiliser Run/Ban " 6D "Mil","MIL Light On Off " 6E "Clf","Clutch Switch " 6F "Nef","Neutral Switch " 70 "Scs","SCS Open or Shorted " 71 "Fpf","Main Fuel Pump Relay" 72 "Dcf","DCDC Control Status " 73 "Ims","IMA Standby " 74 "Stc","Starter Control " 75 "Ids","Idle Stop Control " 76 "Rfs","Radiator Fan Status " 77 "Ect","Engine Coolant Temp " 78 "Iat","Eng Air Intake Temp " 79 "Map","MAP Pressure Kpa " 7A "Bar","BAR Pressure Kpa " 7B "Tps","Throttle Position % " 7C "O1c","1st 02 Sensor Cur ma" 7D "12v","12V Battery Voltage " 7E "Sov","Soc Voltage 0-5V " 7F "Eld","Electronic Load Amps" 80 "Egr","Egr Valve Feedback " 81 "Stf","Short Term Fuel Trim" 82 "Ltf","Long Term Fuel Trim " 83 "Fin","Fuel Injector ms " 84 "Spk","Spark Advance Degree" 85 "Knk","Knock Retard Degrees" 86 "Iac","Idle Air Control Vlv" 87 "Afr","AFR Air Fuel Ratio " 88 "Evp","Evap Purge Control " 89 "Evs","Evap Bypass Solenoid" 8A "Evc","Evap CVS Valve Stat " 8B "Ftp","Fuel Tank Pressure " 8C "Mis","MIL Lamp Status 2 " 8D "Fue","Fuel System Status " 8E "Lod","Engine Load 0-100% " 8F "O2v","2nd O2 Sensor Volts " 90 "O2h","2nd O2 Sensor Heater" 91 "Itq","IMA Motor Torque Nm " 92 "Bbp","Brake Boost Pressure" 93 "Etq","Engine Torque " 94 "Ikw","IMA Request +/-9.9kw" 95 "Rev","Reversing Light " 96 "ECM","ECM Version Number " Massive amount of info! What is very interesting is that all the information that Peter lists comes directly from the OBD port. All this information is also available on the OBD ports of all the Hybrids and OEM EV's, somebody just has to take the trouble to get the data and put it in a usable format and make a display for it. Rush www.TucsonEV.com > -----Original Message----- > From: ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On > Behalf Of Bruce EVangel Parmenter > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:55 AM > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Subject: [EVDL] Need for an e-meter add-on product for Production plugins > ... > > [ref > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/2011-or-2012- > leaf-60-miles-at-65-MPH-NO-WAY-tp4662871p4662918.html > ] > > So, isn't there an add-on product that anyone offers for Production plugins > that is akin to the e-meter I mentioned? > Wasn't there a Leaf forum member called ?Enginr? that offered Leaf product > add-ons? > If not, then there is a business opportunity for some enterprising type to > offer them. > > If someone did offer said e-meter, it should have at least the same > abilities/features as the link-10, and perhaps more. > Instead of a clunky piece of hardware that the customer would have to find > a place for it to be mounted, maybe it could either be and app that is used > on the smart phone, or the hardware is mounted in a hidden spot but its > data fed to the on-board computer/infotainment system(? can data be fed > to that system, or is it only a one-way output ability ?). > > If the on-board system had wireless/wifi and could bring up a web page, > perhaps the data could be fed to that page and then it would show on the > on-board display as a web-page. > > Production plugin drivers: > -would you find an ability to read AH or kWh status of your pack, and know > how many are going in or out of the pack, useful? > > -what other abilities/features o this e-meter product would you want? > > -would you want to buy said product? What price range? > > -Is there any room on top of the dashboard or under the dash in your plugin > for this product? If so, how big or small should it be? > > Comments/corrections/ideas welcome. > > > {brucedp.150m.com} > > > > - > On Thu, May 9, 2013, at 08:36 AM, Ed Blackmond wrote: > > It also as an estimated time to charge display. My charge timers are > > set to 80%, so this display presents the estimated time to charge to 80%. > > Like the "peacock" gage it is not linear, but I think it has a little > > better resolution than the "peacock" gage. > > > > The accuracy of its estimate is off by about an hour. When it > > estimates six hours to charge, it takes about five. > - > > - > > On Thu, 9 May 2013, Peri Hartman wrote: > > > It has no AH or kWh of any sort. Just the "peacock" gage, showing > > > coarsely the remaining charge. > - > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] > > > On Behalf Of Bruce EVangel Parmenter > > > Sent: 09 May, 2013 7:45 AM > > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] 2011 or 2012 leaf - 60 miles at 65 MPH - NO WAY! > > > > > > The Leaf' s guess-o-meter is sounding more and more like the ancient > > > way EV'rs would know their pack's SOC by using an in-dash volt meter > > > that read the pack's surface voltage. I found that to be very inaccurate. > > > > > > It wasn't until I had installed a link-10 e-meter that read out AH > > > in or out that EV driving became even more beautiful > > > http://brucedp02.150m.com/lvnedra02/f_lvnedra020323-015.jpg > > > http://brucedp02.150m.com/saced02/saced02-04.jpg > > > > > > > > > [That e-meter product is no longer sold, and its replacement has > > > been discussed on the evdl > > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Link-10 > > > -e-meter > > > -replacement-td4659492.html > > > ] > > > > > > With that e-meter, I could now know much more accurately how much > > > energy I had left in the pack, and mentally translate that to miles > > > depending on the terrain I would be driving (max miles on steady > > > flat driving, much less when climbing in the mountains, etc.). > > > > > > Doesn't the leaf have an AH or kWh display that would constantly > > > show how much energy is left in the pack? I would assume it does, so > > > if I could drive a Leaf EV (my body does not fit), I would use that > > > AH or kWh reading instead of using the Leaf's guess-o-meter. > > > > > > Like the way I used the old Link-10 e-meter during charging, I would > > > also use the (assumed) Leaf AH or kWh display to measure the charge > > > flow (showing how much the pack was depleted & the amps going in, so > > > as to know how much time would be needed before unplugging and > > > hitting the road again. i.e.: do I have time to do some shopping, > > > and or grab a bite of something healthy to eat?) > > > > > > > > > {brucedp.150m.com} > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013, at 07:55 AM, Ed Blackmond wrote: > > > > The first thing you need to learn about your Leaf's > > > > instrumentation, is to completely ignore the Distance To Empty > > > > number. The best thing you can say about it is that it is > > > > inaccurate. For a DTE meter, there are two important numbers (and > > > > they are equally important): How far can the car go under the > > > > current conditions and how far can the car go under ideal > > > > conditions. The single DTE number on the Leaf has no relationship to > either number. Learn to ignore it. > > > > > > > > Next, note that the state of charge meter is not linear. Learn > > > > how far you can go under ideal conditions on the last two or three > > > > bars. When I lose the third to last bar (two left), I know I can > > > > go about 25 miles under ideal conditions. In the 21 months > > > > (~23,000 miles) I have owned my Leaf, I have had to rely on this > > > > about 10 times. I can get 25 miles and that hasn't changed as the > > > > car and battery pack aged. Driving the same way I have never > > > > gotten more than six miles on the 12th bar (full charge); I can only get > four or five now. > > > > > > > > The estimated time to charge at 120V is a little more reasonable > > > > indicator than the state of charge bars. This too is a bit non linear. > > > > I drive 12 miles to work and it shows 4 hours to 80%. Most days I > > > > stop at the gym for a few hours before work. This also takes 4 hours to > 80%. > > > > When I power up after my workout and drive 1/2 mile to work, it > > > > shows 4.5 hours to 80%. When I come out to my car at lunch it > > > > shows another half hour loss. For some reason they add half an > > > > hour to this number each time the car is powered up. > > > > > > > > While it takes 4 hours to 80% for me to drive the 12 miles to > > > > work, I can make the trip home and back and back home on 8 more > > > > hours. So even with this, it is necessary to apply a non-linear > > > > function to see how far the car can go. On mine, the low battery > > > > warning comes on at 15 hours to 80% and I have driven as far as 19 > > > > hours. By this point the DTE number has shut off making it just as > useless as when it is on. > > > > > > > > The important thing to note is that while the instrumentation when > > > > the car is fully charged (to 80% or 100%) has changed a bit over > > > > the last 21 months, the performance at the bottom as remained > > > > constant. That is a comforting thought. While my total range is > > > > a bit less than it was originally, the range near at the bottom > > > > has remained constant. If I'm less than 25 miles from home with > > > > more than two bars showing, I know I'm good. > > > > > > > > Also note that other people report slightly different behavior. > > > > It is important to know the characteristics of your car. > - > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > wherever you are > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6309 - Release Date: 05/08/13 _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
