No, I am not confusing anything. And I said nothing at all about the capacity of the packs.
The cell they looked at was in good enough shape to have no self discharge, which is a pet topic of Rickard's. You can watch the video or call Jack if you want to know about the capacity. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Cor van de Water <cwa...@proxim.com> wrote: > Michael, > I think you are confusing self-discharge with the concern about loss of > capacity. > Self-discharge means that a cell is losing part of its stored energy > (which shows in lower voltage) but this can be replenished by charging > it again. > Voltage has *nothing* to do with loss of capacity, > which is what all Leafs are suffering from, but those in hot areas > more so than others. > Loss of capacity means that the cell is no longer able to store as much > energy, so even while you fully charge a cell, it can deliver less > energy because "the bucket has shrunken". > Capacity can only be measured by (dis)charging cells and measuring Ah. > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com > Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info > Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On > Behalf Of Michael Ross > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:28 AM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lithium for the Price of Lead - Sort of > > Lee, > > I watched the most recent EVTV installment and they unpack the first > packs > at their shop. The batteries were only imperceptibly less than their > nominal 4.0V at full charge. I think you could wrangle some sort of > confidence out of EVTV that they are good packs. They have to provide > some > sort of assurances even at the low price they are asking. I think so > anyway. > > When you buy the pack you get some other not inconsequential pieces like > a > big assed safety switch and some large contactors. > > Watch the video, long as it is. See what you think. > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Lee Hart <leeah...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > David Chapman wrote: > > > >> If not for lack of funds I would love to have 2 of these for my > G-van. > >> > > > > Same here: I'd love to have a lithium pack for my EV! The big question > in > > my mind is whether they are any good. They are being sold as-is, > without > > warranty. I've been burned before on such battery "deals". > > > > I'll have to wait for someone else to go first, and tell us what they > > actually get. > > > > -- > > Ingenuity gets you through times of no money better than money > > will get you through times of no ingenuity. -- Terry Pratchett > > -- > > Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > > group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > -- > Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain > happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? > *Dalai Lama * > > Tell me what it is you plan to do > With your one wild and precious life? > Mary Oliver, "The summer day." > > To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. > Thomas A. > Edison<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> > > A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. > *Warren Buffet* > > Michael E. 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