On Aug 20, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Dennis Miles <dmiles33...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The state of the art for fuel cell powered vehicles mandates a battery and > electric motor system.
On Aug 20, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Dennis Miles <dmiles33...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The state of the art for fuel cell powered vehicles mandates a battery and > electric motor system. I'd say "it depends." Likely this will change over time as both batteries and fuel cells evolve. Ultimately, my guess is that you'll see mostly hybrids taking advantage of the strengths of both. But this all seems to be application dependent. > Because, economical fuel cell systems are only practical as trickle chargers > or range extenders with the battery concentrating power for accelerating in > traffic, or as needed. Not the case. I just yesterday saw a site where fuel cells replaced batteries for materials handling. The economics provide a payback to the company. > Other Hydrogen systems use the hydrogen as fuel for the ICE. I'm not aware of any of these, but would certainly be interested in learning about where it is being done. > > Dennis Lee Miles > > (evprofes...@evprofessor.com) > > Founder: EV Tech. Institute Inc. > > Phone # (863) 944-9913 (12 noon to 12 midnight Eastern US Time) > > Educating yourself, does not mean you were stupid; it means, you are > intelligent enough, to know, that there is plenty left to learn! > > You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss > NEW You Tube Video link: http://youtu. be/Pz9-TZtySh8 > > > >> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> wrote: >> Oddly, the link to the bill referred to includes none of the language being >> discussed in some of the articles. >> >> The language only authorizes the state motor vehicles folks to makes >> regulations for special plates. It doesn't even requires them to do so. >> >> Arguably it could apply to at least some FCEVs, as some are hybrids. >> >> For example, yesterday I saw a truck that was a battery dominant FCEV hybrid. >> >> But I agree with your concerns about where the burden seems to be placed, at >> least according to the articles.(the bill language you linked doesn't do >> that - it's left to their DMV to decide). >> >> I wonder why they don't just use stickers as is done for CNG and H2 fueled >> vehicles. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:21 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > % Simple dealer provided stickers will do (like for HOV lane access). The >> > law does not apply to fcvs: since when do fcvs not have high-voltages? ... >> > This ignorantly & badly written, and poorly implemented 'separate & >> > not-equal' law incorrectly labels EVs & hybrids as extraordinarily >> > dangerous, as if volatile chemical-fuel is not, plus puts the burden of >> > responder-safety on the driver at an additional cost. This issue is a >> > vehicle-manufacturer responsibility: to each have common locations for >> > high-voltage wiring, like the way fuel-tanks and fuel lines are commonly >> > located on ice % >> > >> > http://www.abc6.com/story/26316308/new-license-plate-may-help-save-lives >> > New license plate may help save lives >> > Aug 19, 2014 By Alana Cerrone >> > >> > A new license plate may help protect first responders from accidentally >> > electrocuting themselves during accident rescues involving electric >> > vehicles. >> > >> > The bill signed into law by Gov. Lincoln Chafee last month requires >> > electric >> > vehicle owners to have a special license plate so that first responders, >> > emergency crews, and even two truck drivers know it is electric. >> > >> > Knowing if a vehicle is electric will help crews decide which instrument is >> > appropriate to use to rescue people trapped inside. >> > >> > “It is not very well-known that rescue workers can get electrocuted from >> > using jaws of life on an electric vehicle, but when that information came >> > to >> > light I wanted us to be proactive about the issue,” said Senator Edward >> > O'Neill, who sponsored the law. >> > >> > The law applies to electric and also hybrid vehicle owners. >> > [© WLNE-TV 2014] >> > ... >> > http://www.valleybreeze.com/2014-08-06/woonsocket-north-smithfield/state-creates-new-plates-electric-vehicles#.U-eA4mOTKHM >> > State creates new plates for electric vehicles >> > 8/6/2014 >> > ... >> > http://insideevs.com/rhode-island-issues-special-license-plates-electric-vehicles-protect-first-responders/ >> > ... create special license plates for electric vehicles? ... >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/28152-Are-EV-License-Plates-Dangerous-to-Occupants-of-a-Tesla >> > Thread: Are EV License Plates Dangerous to Occupants of a Tesla >> > 2014-03-01 >> > ... >> > http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText14/SenateText14/S2120A.pdf >> > 2014-S 2120 SUBSTITUTE A ... >> > 'a registration plate for motor vehicles powered in whole or in part by a >> > storage battery.' >> > ... >> > http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/pressrelease/_layouts/RIL.PressRelease.ListStructure/Forms/DisplayForm.aspx?List=c8baae31-3c10-431c-8dcd-9dbbe21ce3e9&ID=10091 >> > 7/31/2014 Electric vehicle license plates will protect first responders, >> > rescue service workers >> > STATE HOUSE ... The special registration plate will apply to hybrids in >> > addition to electric vehicles. Senators Marc A. Cote (D-Dist. 24, >> > Woonsocket, North Smithfield), Paul W. Fogarty (D-Dist. 23, Glocester, >> > Burrillville, North Smithfield), Nicholas D. Kettle (R-Dist. 21, Coventry, >> > Foster, Scituate, West Greenwich) and James E. Doyle II (D-Dist. 8, >> > Pawtucket) cosponsored the legislation. >> > For more information, contact: >> > Brenna McCabe, Publicist >> > State House Room 20 >> > Providence, RI 02903 >> > (401) 222-2457 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > For all EVLN posts use: >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=evln&sort=date >> > >> > http://www.electricautosport.com/2014/08/venturi-realise-600-kmh-electric-speed-record/ >> > Venturi to realize 600+ km/h electric speed record >> > >> > http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2007153237 >> > Julie Wrigley’s sleek, chewing-gum red Tesla-S EV >> > >> > http://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-norway-436-model-s-sedans-are-being-delivered-monthly-teslas-largest-overseas-market-1658946 >> > 436 Tesla-S Delivered Monthly In Norway> it’s Largest Overseas Market >> > >> > http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/life/2014/08/14/missoula-family-seeks-record-longest-bike-ride/14087677/ >> > Missoula family seeks record for longest Electric bicycle ride >> > >> > http://news.investors.com/081214-712980-tesla-adds-station-in-france.htm >> > Tesla adds 50th Euro Supercharger EVSE @Narbonne, France >> > + >> > EVLN: Tesla-S EV Power-trip e-Journeys from Mexico to Alaska >> > >> > >> > {brucedp.150m.com} >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Vehicle-apartheid-RI-law-punishes-EV-hybrid-drivers-tp4671102.html >> > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at >> > Nabble.com. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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