On Nov 22, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Lee Hart via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> So, how about if the charter restricts it to "vehicles powered by electric 
> motors and a fuel source *other than* conventional gasoline, diesel, or other 
> fossil fuels?
> 
> In other words, itemize what "fuel sources" the list is NOT for discussing

Even then, I don't think there should be a "one drop" purity test. Plugin 
hybrids are, in many instances, almost exclusively electric vehicles in 
practice. I don't think the Volt or the new BMW should be verboten, especially 
considering that few owners of those vehicles will stop at a gas station more 
than a couple times a year despite driving them daily.

If the vehicle gets a significant portion of its motive energy from an external 
source of electricity, it should be fair game. How the vehicle stores that 
energy onboard, and whether or not the vehicle also takes on energy from 
non-electric sources, shouldn't matter.

The Honda Insight shouldn't be a suitable vehicle for discussion, but, if 
somebody comes here owning an Insight and wants to replace / expand the battery 
pack and add a cable to plug it into the wall, we should be excited to help 
that person do so, even if the gasoline engine stays onboard after the 
modifications. (And, yes, part of the advice should be to consider ditching the 
gasoline engine in favor of expanded electric performance, but, though that's 
often a good idea, it's not always the most suitable option.)

Of course, it's easy to imagine a big auto manufacturer creating a "compliance 
vehicle" that's a typical non-plugin hybrid with a tiny battery and the 
addition of a plug that'll give the vehicle a mile or three of electric range. 
I think we'd want to know about those sorts of vehicles and how to discourage 
their use; or, alternately, be open to helping people with modifications to 
such vehicles to give them meaningful all-electric ranges.

We all here acknowledge that BEVs aren't yet one-size-fits-all solutions, and 
that there are many real-world scenarios where they're not suitable. What I 
don't personally understand is why so many encourage the use of a separate 
pure-gasoline vehicle to fill those gaps and discourage the use of a plugin 
hybrid. Two cars are better than one...because...why...?

b&
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