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Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:36 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Article: Electric cars could boost CO2 emissions in some provinces One more thing, which is relevant in this early adopter period. You can buy RECs to effectively make your EV power green, no matter where you live. Peri ------ Original Message ------ From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: 24-Mar-15 9:26:00 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Article: Electric cars could boost CO2 emissions in some provinces >This "Ha-ha, surprise, EVs are worse" game has been around for years. >Bruce, Lee, and some of the other old-timers here may remember the >mid-90s report attributed to a once-respectable university >(Carnegie-Mellon maybe?). >It was a great hue and cry about how the GM Impact / EV1 batteries >would destroy the world with lead emissions worse than leaded >gasoline's. >They >sort of "forgot" to account for recycling of lead batteries. Oops! > >That's an anti-EV salvo that stands out in my mind, but I'm sure it >wasn't the first. > >Hint : check the researchers' funding, folks. We think of universities >as dedicated to unbiased research and scientific method, but those days >are pretty much gone. Today many are nonprofit in legal terms only. >They're now businesses, and proud of it, run by well-paid presidents >recruited from business and by boards of wealthy business people. Not >many of them would have an aversion to accepting money with greasy >petro-fingerprints on it. > >The real picture of transportation energy use is complex. Because there >are so many numbers involved, it's almost trivial to pick only the data >which lead to your pre-selected conclusion. > >Energy gets used in all kinds of places delivering fuel to an ICEV. >These >include locating, drilling, and preparing the well; pumping the crude; >getting it to the refinery; refining it; transporting the refined >product to filling stations; operating the filling stations, and on and >on. You could even reasonably count the energy use in the petroleum >company's offices, the vehicles the wellhead workers drive. I'm sure >you can think of others. > >And of course energy to run EVs comes from all kinds of places, not >just coal. In fact, you can run an EV entirely on zero-carbon energy >harvested from PV modules on your roof. Try that with an ICEV. > >Chip Gribben wrote a response to this argument many years ago. It's a >well researched and unbiased picture showing that because of the US's >energy mixture that emphasizes coal power plants, EVs actually can be >(in a worst case analysis) blamed for increased output of SO2 and >particulates vs ICEVs. >However, their related HC, CO, and NoX output is dramatically lower. > >Where the power comes from matters. For example, in France, where most >electrcity is nuclear, EVs blitz ICEVs for emissions - 99% less HC, 99% >less CO, 91% less NoX, 58% less SO2, and 59% less particulates. > >http://www.evdl.org/docs/powerplant.pdf > >Better yet, as powerplants are upgraded, and as more renewable energy >comes online from PV and wind, the entire EV fleet gets cleaner. >Meanwhile, as more tar sands oil gets used for ICEVs, the entire ICEV >fleet gets dirtier. > >These bogus poison-pen-PR analyses do enormous damage partly because >the media are so quick to latch onto them. They LOVE to "prove" that >the status quo is the very best of all worlds, and that new ideas are >all bunk. >That's >not just because media owners are stolid, top-one-percent establishment >types (though they are, by and large). It's also because reporters are >balloon-poppers by nature. They pounce on something like this and come >up gleefully waving it in the air. By the time it's debunked by more >sober sources 3 weeks later, they've moved on to the next big >conflagration. > >David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA >EVDL Administrator > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL >Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >= = = = = = = = = = = = = >Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. >To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the >webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
