This story worried me for a bit, as I had just ordered a JuiceBox to
install in Atlanta, GA and am planning on applying for the GaPower $250
rebate.
I went back and double checked the terms of the GaPower rebate form and
it has no "UL Listed" requirement, so hopefully this won't affect those
of us who are with GaPower.
Jay
On 09/16/2015 05:21 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
Apparently, PSE does not understand the definition of the word "or".
In their requirements it says:
"Chargers that are not UL rated, or do not meet codes and standards will not be
eligible for the rebate."
This statement with the word "or" clearly shows that it supports either UL or
alternative
standards that show that the product is safe.
However, PSE decides to stick to their interpretation that only UL is an
allowed standard.
Which is somewhat weird, because although UL has great brand recognition and is
one of
the forefighters of safety certification, this is a private company and has many
competitors that have equally good safety standards, often rather
interchangeable.
But of course a power company can just create the "law" that only UL is allowed
and thus (contrary to the "or" in their requirements) a product can only be
accepted
if it satisfies UL *and* other codes and standards.
Sad that this EV'er has to lose his rebate over the incorrect language in the
requirements.
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Detail confusion costs electric car owner a $500 rebate from PSE By Connie
Thompson Sep 8, 2015
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Puget Sound Energy is offering $500 rebates to electric vehicle owners who
install new EV chargers at home. But Joe Gehr of Kent just learned the hard
way about verifying rebate details before you spend money. His rebate claim
was rejected because of one line in the rebate rules.
Gehr loves his Nissan Leaf, but the 120 volt factory charger that comes with
the car takes forever to charge the battery.
"They provide a level 1 charger with the car," said Gehr. "And it will take 14, 16,
18 hours to charge it."
Like many electric vehicle owners, Gehr bought what's called a "level 2"
charger, for a quicker charge at up to 220 volts.
"So I'm bringing 220 volts AC into this, " Gehr explained. "Then this converts it
to DC. So I'm charging like you would a boat battery with DC."
The charger cost him $600 bucks. He figured he'd get most of that back through
the $500 EV charger rebate promotion he found on Puget Sound Energy's website.
Gehr was certain his charger -- a brand called JuiceBox -- met the
qualifications. But his rebate was rejected. PSE points to a critical sentence
in the rules, which state:
"Chargers that are not UL rated, or do not meet codes and standards will not be
eligible for the rebate. It's an Underwriters Laboratories safety requirement for
electrical devices."
"We're very concerned about customer safety," said PSE spokesman Ray Lane by
email.
"The language on our website is clear about this, and the customer's inability to
meet the necessary codes and standards for the install leave us with rejection as the
only option."
Gehr acknowledges his EV charger is not UL rated, but points out it has other
certifications which are listed on PSE's website. Gehr feels the way the rules
are written, it sounds like the charger has to be UL rated 'or'
meet certain standards, not both.
PSE says Gehr misunderstood the qualifications and the lack of a UL rating is a
deal breaker. The only way he can get a rebate is to replace the charger he
bought- with a charger that's UL approved.
Gehr is not the first PSE customer with JuiceBox brand chargers to have their
rebate rejected . PSE tells me it's had about 10 other people buy JuiceBox
chargers that don't qualify for their rebate because they're not UL
rated- another reminder to confirm the qualifications before you spend a lot
of money on anything as part of a rebate promotion.
The PSE EV rebates started in May of 2014 as part of a program to study
electric vehicles and the power grid. The utility says it has sent rebates
of $500 to about 800 eligible customers so far. The program allows for
rebates to 50-thousand EV owners in PSE's service area.
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