Hi David and All, We'll have to see how utilities work out. Likely they will become wire utilities transporting others power. They will shrink until they can't pay their debts in their now stranded assets as customers leave the grid because they raised prices too much and go bankrupt likely gov taken over. Here in Fla, places where Gov, co-ops run the grid costs are 30% less than Duke, FPL, TECO. Since it is illegal so sell power here the Tea party, business, libertarians, Dems, Eco's, etc are getting together to pass a Fla law forcing a freer market by ballot.. Likely most utilities will devolve or grow into micro-grids to single units like home, business or factory. Why is simple these leave 90% of corporate cost out of the electric bill and making clean power and up north, heat comes in under $.06/kwhr now. And 50% of that I the future. sunelec/dmsolar, etc for parts/kits and local electrician to permit, install is now under $2k/kw in most places. 200 + mile range EV's have enough surplus that even 50% discharged handles most owners needs, using the top 50% for home, office or micro or grid/V2G. When the EV owner needs more they just tell the EV/grid to have it full. Fact is every say block of homes close together with just small, short powerlines and insulated heat pipes sharing clean power and backup costs can supply 50-75% less cost than a utility can. Even a utility using wind and solar because of all the utility costs microgrids to less doesn't have. Such a group could pool their trash, yard wastes, etc to make fuels, recycle for cash, etc. Sharing vehicles including boats, etc could cut their costs 50-75% too if insurance costs don't eat it up. Other tech like solar CSP making power and heat with a biomass, etc back up burner and heat storage, low cost 50 yr life wind generators, plastics to oil , etc machines are even more cost effective when mass produced. With EV capabilities, larger kwhr packs with V2G coming is going to really change power, fuels, FF's from big corporations to local suppliers, jobs with the consumers pocketing the savings. Since many utilities are now charging $25/mo and up and/or over $.15/kwhr rates going off grid gets too good to pass up. And soon most all will be as utilities/FF raises their prices and simple clean power/ fuel machines, devices, EV's, batteries drop in cost, are mass produced like PV solar is. BTW congress has a bill coming up to allow companies to build 500 'old looking' cars/yr without big auto regulations. Think of the innovative EV's that could be made? Jerry Dycus
From: EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it? On 22 Sep 2015 at 19:35, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > Yes, but a grid-tied solar system does not need a "dump battery" so that > is a 100% wasted investment. Just charge from the net-metereed solar > system as is. Barring an unlikely major change in America's political system that vastly reduces the influence of money on laws, grid tie is going to be effectively gone in a few years. The utilities despise it, and will price it out of existence. You may be lucky enough to be grandfathered for a while -- or maybe not. Most of us won't have that nearly-infinite, nearly-free battery that you have right now. We'd better be making other plans. I'm sure there are huge practical barriers, but wouldn't it be great to develop democratically-controlled local or even regional consortia of RE users who pool their resources to build large storage facilities, and intertie their systems that way? While we're at it why not make them vehicle-sharing programs, too? You drive a small EV to work every day, but if you need an ICE van for the weekend, you can trade for a modest fee. I know, now I'M the dreamer. :-\ David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150923/229eabed/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
