I also did tests on LiFePO4 cells and while self-discharge was low, I was able to prove from my measurements over many weeks, that there is was about a factor 2 difference in self-discharge current between the best and worst cell. Sample size was over 40 cells. This is exactly what the author of the quoted article found, that the capacity of the cells had not degraded, but the cells had gotten out of balance, so the protection circuitry allowed an ever shrinking overlap between best and worst cell. Simply balancing the cells brought back the original available pack capacity, which is logical. Hope this clarifies, Cor.
BTW, this email address will soon cease to work, please find me at cor.vandewa...@gmail.com On May 11, 2018 10:58 PM, paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: Actually I do have evidence. I did extensive testing with LiFePO4 cells. I found no evidence of self discharge or of balance issues with cells connected in series. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Bill Dube via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Paul, > > Do you have any evidence of this or is it speculation? > > (Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.) > > Bill D > > >> On 5/11/2018 12:47 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: >> Thanks that was interesting. It’s more likely that the Dakota BMS was >> causing the imbalance with parasitic unbalanced loads, however. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On May 11, 2018, at 11:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV >>>> <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 10 May 2018 at 6:35, paul dove via EV wrote: >>>> >>>> Do you have any evidence of these batteries failing because of out of >>>> balance >>>> conditions or is that speculation >>> The battery I mentioned ("Dakota" brand) was advertised as having a true >>> balancing BMS. >>> >>> Discussion of PCBs vs BMSes here: >>> >>> http://ka7oei.blogspot.com/2013/05/lithium-iron-phosphate-lifepo4.html >>> >>> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA >>> EVDL Administrator >>> >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>> EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>> Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not >>> reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my >>> email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180512/7558986a/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)