The Stellas are truly amazing. Can they work in real life ?
Lawrence Rhodes, you probably track these vehicles the most of anyone on this list, maybe you can add to this.

I recall discussing this recently and, in good solar conditions, the Stella can even climb a mountain pass on its own PVs, not having to use battery reserve. But that still leaves questions: - parked in shade or a garage; maybe there needs to be charging for this case - poor sun angle in winter; in Seattle, it maxes at 21 deg at the winter solstice. - shade from trees, buildings, etc while on the road; how much PV degredation does this cause?

To make a production version of the Stella, these factors and more need to be realized. I'd like to see it done but I'm pretty sure Musk and others chose the more traditional design since they could calculate engineering success.

Peri


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From: "Larry Gales via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "Larry Gales" <larry.ga...@gmail.com>
Sent: 08-Dec-18 11:20:41 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof option> too small a surface

Why has no one mentioned the obvious: the Stella Lux and Stella Vie which achieve practical solar power because they are extremely lightweight and sport a 1.2 to 1.5 solar PV. The Dutch team that has produced these street legal vehicles (4-5 passengers, top speed of 77 mph) is also working on a
production model named "LightYear"

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 9:40 PM paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

  (Eight hours of charging Tesla’s Model 3 from a wall socket will
give you your expected 200-plus miles of range.)
Someone's math is off. You can only get 1KW/h from a wall socket. Maybe 30
miles in 8 hours.

    On Saturday, December 8, 2018, 8:05:15 PM CST, brucedp5 via EV <
ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:



https://qz.com/1482588/why-teslas-dont-and-cant-have-solar-roofs/
Why Teslas don’t—and can’t—have solar roofs
December 3, 2018  Kabir Chibber

[images
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The only solar-powered cars that work

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The Sono prototype  / REUTERS/Andreas Gebert
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It’s a pretty intuitive question. “Why don’t electric cars have solar
roof[s?]” asked one person in the “No Stupid Questions” area of Reddit. “Wouldn’t it make sense to have a self sustaining charging capabilities.”
There are similar questions on Quora and elsewhere.

Teslas and other cars run off electricity, drawing from an electric-power infrastructure that often runs off of dirty fuels. Solar power generates lots of electricity for free from the sun. Why don’t electric cars have
solar roofs to power them for free?

For one thing, the math makes it quite difficult. Elon Musk briefly
suggested that solar roofs would be an option for the Tesla Model 3, but later walked it back and explained why. “Putting solar panels on the car
itself?” Musk said in July 2017. “Not that helpful, because the actual
surface of the car is not that much, and cars are often inside. The least efficient place to put solar is on the car.” It turns out that he had meant a solar roof that unfolds from the trunk and overs the current car hood.

A Tesla rival, the Karma Revero, actually has a solar roof as an option. As Wired noted (paywall), modern solar panels are inefficient and convert just 15-20% of the energy that reaches them. So that Revero solar roof, having received eight hours of pure sunshine, will generate enough power to drive 1.5 miles. (Eight hours of charging Tesla’s Model 3 from a wall socket will
give you your expected 200-plus miles of range.)

On Quora, Chris Harget, a product-marketing manager in the Bay Area,
summarizes the problems (emphasis added by him):

The top of an electric car has maybe 3–5 square meters of flat space.

    Solar panels, even at high noon, usually only produce about 200
watt-hours per square meter.

The most efficient production electric vehicles today (probably the Hyundai Ioniq and the Tesla Mod 3) would only be able to travel 2–4 miles
on
that amount of electricity…in an hour. Most people could walk faster.

Financially, the cost of the panels and electronics, R&D and assembly would never pay for itself in the life of the vehicle, compared to charging
from the wall in your garage.

That doesn’t mean no one is trying. There’s a German startup called Sono
Motors that wants to build cars with solar panels. Toyota last year
announced that upcoming Prius hybrid cars would come with Panasonic solar
roofs (paywall).

Still, even as solar panels become more common and more efficient, they
won’t be on most cars anytime soon.
[© qz.com]


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https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/3067447/vattenfall-begins-rollout-of-wind-powered-ev-chargers-in-norfolk
Vattenfall begins rollout of wind-powered EV chargers
04 December 2018  Vattenfall is set to begin rolling out its first UK
electric vehicle (EV) chargers in Norfolk this week, after today announcing
a new partnership with BMM Energy ...

https://www.businessgreen.com/w-images/0e05a981-078a-438e-a16e-cca8813b0f5f/3/InchargeatPyC-580x358.jpg




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