"To have a large number of businesses supporting an unknown technology makes
me suspicious." That is the best explanation for hydrogen.
On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 08:07:43 PM EST, Mark
Abramowitz via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
Certainly good points about infrastructure. But when you look at costs at
scale, I understand a recent study showed hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1.
- Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> On Dec 26, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
> To be clear, I find fuel cells fascinating technology. I don't know how much
> potential improvement is possible and I support continuing research to find
> out.
>
> That's different from supporting a build out of a hydrogen infrastructure.
> There is significant cost to do so and, to be effective, it will probably
> need to be as extensive as the current fueling infrastructure. I suppose one
> could argue that such infrastructure partially exists already, considering
> the land and some structures would be repurposed. But that's only part of the
> cost. We still need to deal with new storage tanks and delivery systems from
> tank to vehicle. Given that hydrogen is hard to contain and that the current
> hydrogen infrastructure is essentially zero, this is a huge expense.
>
> Second, the only method I know to produce hydrogen from non fossil fuel is by
> cracking water. It's my understanding that it is substantially more efficient
> to just use the electricity directly to charge a battery. Perhaps, if you
> take into account the production of the battery you might show that in some
> cases the fuel cell comes out ahead. But that's with last year's battery
> technology. Enough progress is being made that I think such arguments will be
> false if not already false.
>
> To have a large number of businesses supporting an unknown technology makes
> me suspicious. This is not an altruistic effort. Sure, support the build out
> now. Get government money to help. Once all this is built, it will be
> supplied with non fossil fuel hydrogen. Or not. If not, is that
> infrastructure just going to sit there? Ha. The pressure to use it, with
> hydrogen from natural gas, will be unsurmountable. Goals will be crushed and
> the petrol industry will win.
>
> So, let's support research. But no build out until we have reasonable
> evidence of a technology to efficiently produce hydrogen in a sustainable way.
>
> Peri
>
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