Thanks! That's way better than anything I've seen so far. I obviously have not being applying my 'cross check the experts' process properly. I'll share this with my chief and see what else we can find. -- Ron
On February 15, 2019 11:08:03 a.m. CST, paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >That’s true but it’s not an uneducated guess. > >USE WATER TO FIGHT A HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY FIRE. If the battery catches >fire, is exposed to high heat, or is generating heat or gases, use >large amounts of water to cool the battery. It can take approximately >3,000 gallons of water (applied directly to the battery); establish >sufficient water supply. > >https://www.tesla.com/firstresponders > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 15, 2019, at 6:28 AM, Ron Porter via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >wrote: >> >> I'm only a volunteer firefighter, but we get the same books and >training as the career firefighters in cities. I have not taken all >possible classes and I have not taken a class that is specific to >vehicle fires. I have taken recent vehicle extrication classes, though, >and the only mention of EV/Hybrids was to be very careful because there >were no specific techniques to avoid contact with the high energies, >compounded by the fact that it is not always obvious that you are even >dealing with that kind of vehicle. I know that many are concerned about >the lack of information, let alone training. >> >> Please lobby the appropriate authorities and manufacturers to get the >information out there and to develop standards and training. Dealing >with a fire is one thing, but things get difficult and dangerous if the >best we can do is make uneducated guesses. >> -- >> Ron >> >>> On February 14, 2019 12:20:30 p.m. CST, paul dove via EV ><ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>> There have been battery fires in wrecked Tesla’s this is a real >danger. >>> Don’t plow you car into anything! More disturbing is the article >not >>> calling out the firemen for incorrect techniques to douse a battery >>> fire. Never use devices designed to smother the fire. The only way >to >>> put out a lithium battery fire is to remove the heat with water. It >is >>> not called thermal run away for no reason. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 14, 2019, at 8:44 AM, robert winfield via EV >>> <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you click the link and read the article, it perpetutes the >>> --->myth<--- of "many Tesla battery fires, and is followed by >multiple >>> ads for gasoline fueled motorcycles >>>> spreading fear and uncertainty and doubt. I expect better from the >>> -->EVDL >>>> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019, 11:59:04 PM EST, brucedp5 via EV >>> <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >https://gaadiwaadi.com/shocking-electric-two-wheeler-burns-like-a-bomb-captured-in-video/ >>>> Electric Two-Wheeler Bursts Into Flames Suddenly, Captured In >>> Shocking Video >>>> Feb 1, 2019 Vibin P Vijay >>>> >>>> [image >>>> >>> >https://gaadiwaadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/electric-bike-cathes-fire.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> video dated >>>> https://youtu.be/Bqwh4yUyJuE >>>> Electric car catches fire, burns passenger >>>> CGTN Published on Jun 14, 2018 >>>> Surveillance footage shows an electric scooter carrying two men >>> suddenly >>>> burst into flames while traveling at high speed. The accident took >>> place in >>>> Jiangxi Province's Ganzhou City in east China on June 4. >>>> ] >>>> >>>> Electric vehicles use highly inflammable Lithium-ion batteries, >which >>> can >>>> catch fire and go into flames within seconds >>>> >>>> With the world moving towards electric mobility, we will soon see >>> roads >>>> filled with electric vehicles. While the future of electric >mobility >>> is >>>> still a few years away in India, the Chinese market is filled with >>> electric >>>> vehicles and the consumers have accepted the vehicles quite well. >>> There are >>>> many kinds of electric vehicle on sale in the Chinese market >>> including the >>>> locally-made ones. >>>> >>>> (Above) is a video of a locally assembled electric two-wheeler in >>> China that >>>> catches fire within seconds and was reduced to ashes. Electric >>> vehicles use >>>> complicated charging modules and have big batteries that power the >>> electric >>>> motor. Most of the modern-day electric vehicles get the highly >>> efficient >>>> lithium-ion batteries, which are known for their excellent capacity >>> and >>>> charge hold time. >>>> >>>> However, the lithium-ion batteries can be extremely dangerous. As >>> seen in >>>> the video, the scooter catches fire in the middle of the road and >>> within >>>> seconds the whole vehicle is engulfed in the fire. Lithium-ion >>> batteries can >>>> get affected in many various ways. It can be because of a >>> short-circuit or a >>>> punctured battery pack. >>>> >>>> The fire can spread uncontrollably. To ensure that the batteries >>> remain safe >>>> and avoid any such incident, manufacturers often install safety >>> device that >>>> can cut off the power supply to the battery during a short circuit. >>> Many >>>> manufacturers also place them in secured enclosures to avoid any >>> punctures, >>>> especially during high-speed accidents. >>>> >>>> It is not only about low-cost electric vehicles being vulnerable to >>> such >>>> accidents. Many Tesla vehicles have also caught fire after >accidents >>> due to >>>> the lithium-ion batteries. While the electric future looks >>> unavoidable now, >>>> manufacturers should be working towards the vehicles safer. >Electric >>>> vehicles can explode during accidents and that reduces any chance >of >>>> survival. >>>> >>>> The shocking incident in China also shows police officers carrying >>> fire >>>> extinguishers and dousing the out-of-control fire. Even with the >>>> extinguisher, it takes some time to bring the fire under control. >>> There is >>>> no doubt that electric vehicles are the future but will be safer >than >>> the >>>> regular vehicles in the market? That’s a big question that remains >>>> unanswered for the time being. >>>> [© gaadiwaadi.com] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >http://ktar.com/story/2424957/man-charged-with-dui-on-electric-scooter-in-tempe/ >>>> Man charged with DUI on electric scooter in Tempe >>>> February 5, 2019 It is believed to be the first electric >>> scooter-related >>>> DUI charge in the Valley. ... Rural Road when he was involved in a >>> crash >>>> with a parked car in another lane ... >>>> ... >>>> >>> >https://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/tempe/tempe-police-arrest-man-on-dui-charges-while-riding-scooter >>>> Tempe police arrest man on DUI charges after crash while riding >>> scooter >>>> Feb 05, 2019 Tempe, FL police arrest man on DUI charges after >crash >>> while >>>> riding scooter ... on DUI charges after he was involved in a crash >>> while on >>>> an electric scooter. ... of his lane before the wreck and collided >>> with the >>>> car when he entered the other lane ... >>>> >>> >http://mediaassets.theindychannel.com/photo/2018/06/25/Scooters_Indy_1529931145086_90745088_ver1.0.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/fl-ne-scooter-lawsuit-20190211-story.html >>>> Electric scooter accident puts Florida woman in coma >>>> Feb 11, 2019 Electric scooters will keep on rolling in Fort >>> Lauderdale ... >>>> Jordan was struck by a passenger car at the intersection of Sou... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >https://www.wsoctv.com/news/thursday-car-company-may-expand-recall-after-reports-of-seat-warmers-catching-on-fire/914712142 >>>> Drivers blame seat heaters for fires, call on car company to issue >>> new >>>> recall >>>> Feb 4, 2019 CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Drivers told Channel 9 their >vehicles >>> caught >>>> fire, and they blame the electric seat warmers ... >>>> >>> >https://mediaweb.wsoctv.com/photo/2019/02/04/022218-wsoc-seat-fire-pics_1519319510820_10891366_ver1.0_1549326416119_14392604_ver1.0_640_360.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: >>>> http://evdl.org/archive/ >>>> >>>> >>>> {brucedp.neocities.org} >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: >>> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>> ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190214/b12e70d0/attachment.html> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190215/e1e6d50c/attachment.html> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190215/5b643358/attachment.html> >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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