Yeah, depends a lot on need. I'm looking to replace my ancient minivan,
which I use to haul construction materials (e.g. plywood & debris), go
hiking & backpacking (high clearance and range needed), and misc other
activities. The Y isn't big enough for the construction stuff and
marginal for backpacking (with 4 people). It's expensive, too, but if it
had worked I would have bought it.
I've considered converting the minivan but it would cost at least $20K +
countless hours to get the main computer to shut up, and I'd still have
an old car.
Peri
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------ Original Message ------
From: "George Mullineaux" <georgemulline...@pinnaclecorrugated.com>
To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Sent: 13-Jun-20 12:04:49 AM
Subject: RE: [External] Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: Million Mile Battery
Thanks,
The Model Y claims 68 cu. ft, the X 88 cu. ft. and the Explorer 87.8 cu. ft. It
was this comparison that moved me more to the Model X. My wife hauls farm
supplies with her vehicle and will many times coordinate a trip to the grocery
store at the same time. With the rear seats folded away, I have seen her
completely fill her Silhouette van from front to rear. Takes me two trips to
the barn with a flat bed wheel-barrow, and a dozen or more trips to the house
to unload. I guess that over time, EVs will eventually be more affordable for a
larger segment of the population, and the technology and design will give a
wider selection of vehicles for various needs. Until then, those of us with
specific needs will have to either make our own EV or continue to drive ICE.
Right now, urban dwellers and commuters are the only segments of society that
are being targeted with affordable EV transportation.
George Mullineaux
3rd Shift Wrench Monkey
-----Original Message-----
From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:04
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com>
Subject: [External] Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: Million Mile Battery
Your statement is well said - for the present time. But in the near future, with a
battery that is substantially cheaper, the "stupid"
statement might apply to a pretty broad sector where as now it applies only to
those who can pay somewhat more and need the kind of vehicles produced.
In your case, Geroge, you might look at a Tesla Y. It's about $54K + local
taxes, thus a lot cheaper than the X. Has 300+ miles range. Good interior
storage space, though I don't know how it compares to an Explorer.
------ Original Message ------
From: "George Mullineaux via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "George Mullineaux" <georgemulline...@pinnaclecorrugated.com>
Sent: 11-Jun-20 9:02:40 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: Million Mile Battery
The "people will be stupid if they buy ICE" statement is exactly what keeps EV
people and ICE people separated. I drive ICE right now because there is no one that is
producing an EV pick-up in the US that will work on my farm. I have researched the
possibility of converting my F250, but have not found the best solution that will not
cost the price of another used ICE. I earn the kind of money that allows us to drive
15-35 year old vehicles. My wife is needing another vehicle and I compared a Ford
Explorer with a Tesla Model X that would be smaller but still close to the Explorer.
However, $48,000 compared to $82,000 will never cause me more than a split second of
thought. Please remember some simple courtesies when posting. Everybody is not able to
buy a new vehicle, let alone an EV. I am part of this forum to gain insight, and I would
rather not be insulted.
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From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Mark Laity-Snyder via
EV
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:06
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: Mark Laity-Snyder <marklai...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [External] Re: [EVDL] Million Mile Battery
>On 9 Jun 2020 at 9:52, moskowitz via EV wrote:
Extending that lifespan is viewed as a key advance because the pack
could be reused in a second vehicle.
This sounds great IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Still, I have some trouble
seeing such a gigantic cycle life increase as a significant advantage
for the typical EV owner.
And I would NOT bet against Tesla. They have brought EVs into the mainstream.
Everything they have said they would do in their first mission statement has
come to pass. Much of their 2nd mission statement is happening or will happen
soon. If they say they have a million mile battery. I am betting they have
such a battery. The future will change very soon for EVs. We will soon have
EVs cheaper than ICEs and people will be stupid if they buy ICE (not that they
aren't already if they have the money to buy EV).
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