My son recently bought a used Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. It's a great EV for 30 miles and a wonderful minivan after that. Depending on your needs a PHEV can get you a lot of pure EV smiles while still doing everything else you need from an ICE.
Damon ________________________________ From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> on behalf of Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 7:30 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com> Subject: Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: [External] Re: Million Mile Battery Yeah, depends a lot on need. I'm looking to replace my ancient minivan, which I use to haul construction materials (e.g. plywood & debris), go hiking & backpacking (high clearance and range needed), and misc other activities. The Y isn't big enough for the construction stuff and marginal for backpacking (with 4 people). It's expensive, too, but if it had worked I would have bought it. I've considered converting the minivan but it would cost at least $20K + countless hours to get the main computer to shut up, and I'd still have an old car. Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fquietcleanseattle.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce234b1e58b684816427508d80fa669d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637276554696859756&sdata=4TgrWq%2F8LKZdEsiEO7Ch6DVEC1PjNqvGcB02pBXVw1M%3D&reserved=0 >> ------ Original Message ------ From: "George Mullineaux" <georgemulline...@pinnaclecorrugated.com> To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: 13-Jun-20 12:04:49 AM Subject: RE: [External] Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: Million Mile Battery >Thanks, >The Model Y claims 68 cu. ft, the X 88 cu. ft. and the Explorer 87.8 cu. ft. >It was this comparison that moved me more to the Model X. My wife hauls farm >supplies with her vehicle and will many times coordinate a trip to the grocery >store at the same time. With the rear seats folded away, I have seen her >completely fill her Silhouette van from front to rear. Takes me two trips to >the barn with a flat bed wheel-barrow, and a dozen or more trips to the house >to unload. I guess that over time, EVs will eventually be more affordable for >a larger segment of the population, and the technology and design will give a >wider selection of vehicles for various needs. Until then, those of us with >specific needs will have to either make our own EV or continue to drive ICE. >Right now, urban dwellers and commuters are the only segments of society that >are being targeted with affordable EV transportation. > >George Mullineaux >3rd Shift Wrench Monkey > > >-----Original Message----- >From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:04 >To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> >Cc: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com> >Subject: [External] Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: Million Mile Battery > >Your statement is well said - for the present time. But in the near future, >with a battery that is substantially cheaper, the "stupid" >statement might apply to a pretty broad sector where as now it applies only to >those who can pay somewhat more and need the kind of vehicles produced. > >In your case, Geroge, you might look at a Tesla Y. It's about $54K + local >taxes, thus a lot cheaper than the X. Has 300+ miles range. Good interior >storage space, though I don't know how it compares to an Explorer. > >------ Original Message ------ >From: "George Mullineaux via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> >To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> >Cc: "George Mullineaux" <georgemulline...@pinnaclecorrugated.com> >Sent: 11-Jun-20 9:02:40 PM >Subject: Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: Million Mile Battery > >>The "people will be stupid if they buy ICE" statement is exactly what keeps >>EV people and ICE people separated. I drive ICE right now because there is no >>one that is producing an EV pick-up in the US that will work on my farm. I >>have researched the possibility of converting my F250, but have not found the >>best solution that will not cost the price of another used ICE. I earn the >>kind of money that allows us to drive 15-35 year old vehicles. My wife is >>needing another vehicle and I compared a Ford Explorer with a Tesla Model X >>that would be smaller but still close to the Explorer. However, $48,000 >>compared to $82,000 will never cause me more than a split second of thought. >>Please remember some simple courtesies when posting. Everybody is not able to >>buy a new vehicle, let alone an EV. I am part of this forum to gain insight, >>and I would rather not be insulted. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Mark Laity-Snyder via >>EV >>Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:06 >>To: ev@lists.evdl.org >>Cc: Mark Laity-Snyder <marklai...@yahoo.com> >>Subject: [External] Re: [EVDL] Million Mile Battery >> >> >On 9 Jun 2020 at 9:52, moskowitz via EV wrote: >> >>> Extending that lifespan is viewed as a key advance because the pack >>> could be reused in a second vehicle. >> >>>This sounds great IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Still, I have some trouble >>>seeing such a gigantic cycle life increase as a significant advantage >>>for the typical EV owner. >>And I would NOT bet against Tesla. They have brought EVs into the >>mainstream. Everything they have said they would do in their first mission >>statement has come to pass. Much of their 2nd mission statement is happening >>or will happen soon. If they say they have a million mile battery. I am >>betting they have such a battery. 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