Our supt said 275k. 

Sincerely, 
Bob Bath
541.761.0838

Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 56 y.o. 
vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering— not 
cluelessness. 


> On Oct 27, 2022, at 10:44 AM, EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> 
> On 27 Oct 2022 at 11:57, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> 
>> That's $400,000 per bus! ... You're not going to get many schools to adopt 
>> them at that price.
> 
> Nice work if you can get it, eh?  :-\
> 
> ICE bus design is pretty much fully amortized, and their manufacture has 
> more economy of scale. But that's still kind of a nutso price by comparison.
> 
> Such a nosebleed price makes E-buses difficult to justify to taxpayers, who 
> in many areas won't think that the buses are solving a significant problem. 
> Or at least one of THEIR immediate and personal problems, which is all they 
> care about.
> 
>> Maybe some high school shop class should take on the challenge of 
>> converting one? 
> 
> Wouldn't that be great?  Healthy for both the schools' budgets and the kids' 
> education.
> 
> Unfortunately, that resounding thud that you just heard was several hundred 
> school board lawyers across the nation clasping their chests and face-
> planting.  Can you say "liability"?  
> 
>> So there could be quite a savings to converting what you already have. 
> 
> In theory, one would hope so, but maybe not if you contracted for 
> professional conversion. I assure you that school boards are NOT going to 
> let kids ride in conversions done in the student auto repair shop class. And 
> I agree with them.
> 
> The problem is finding a decent one.  Not that they don't exist - but rather 
> that school board members don't have the expertise to choose one.  Heck, 
> some of them can barely pick decent textbooks.  How can you expect them to 
> find a competent, experienced, financially secure, and *well-insured* EV 
> conversion contractor?
> 
> There have been entirely too many failures among fleet conversions in the 
> past - say from around 1970 to 2000 or 2010. I think that there were lots of 
> reasons for the failures.  Among them:
> 
> - The vehicles weren't designed to be sufficiently robust.
> 
> - The converters over-promised and under-delivered.
> 
> - The converters didn't provide the level of support the customers needed,  
> often not prioritizing service for financial reasons.
> 
> - The converters sometimes folded even before the pilot projects finished.
> 
> - The drivers weren't trained to operate the conversions properly, often 
> resented having to drive vehicles unlike the ones they were used to ("What, 
> it doesn't have air conditioning?!"), and abused them until they failed.
> 
> - The customers' maintenance people weren't trained properly, and often 
> resented having to work on vehicles unlike the ones they were used to 
> ("Sure, I watered the batteries.  I sprayed them with this hose."), and 
> abused them until they failed.
> 
> For school bus conversion, I'd probably trust an experienced and relatively 
> conscientious converter like Solectria. But even if they were still around, 
> would their conversions be much cheaper than factory EVs? You pay a lot for 
> that kind of engineering and component reliability when you're accepting 
> bids in in 2-digit or so quantities.
> 
> Still, it would be interesting to see what a competent conversion contractor 
> could do with something like this.  
> 
> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
> 
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