I agree about the invasive logging, which is why I offer the service to disconnect a Tesla from Tesla's back end. This can be done in degrees, so no communication, only needed communication, or just no logging/telemetry (software updates still possible).
But Tesla isn't the only one, pretty much all automakers, EV or not, now have fully connected infotainment. Just like a smartphone, your car is now in constant communication with their back-end. In fact, GM was one of the first into this with OnStar in 2011. Since then the amount of data collected has only increased. On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 12:23 PM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 21 Jun 2023 at 11:37, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > > > The car can also log data from the supercharger and cache it for later > > upload when the car gets back into cell range. > > This is what I find unsettling about Teslas. Actually all cars do > something > similar now but it could be said that Tesla was a leader in making > vehicles > that set fire to your privacy. > > Back when the Model S was new the New York Time (I think it was) published > a > hit piece on it. Using the car's spy computer, Musk revealed that the > tester / writer had driven in circles in a parking lot to deliberately > drain > the battery. > > A lot of folks on this list were jubilant. I found it seriously > unsettling > that a Tesla would log that much information about where the driver was, > when, how he drove, and much more. > > More recently it emerged that Tesla employees were passing round images > taken by Tesla cameras: > > https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images- > recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ > <https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/> > > or https://v.gd/l23Ra9 > > You can't call that anything but voyeurism. > > Your car knows a LOT about you, and it rats you out to the company that > made > it. > > This has been used to prosecute people. > > The case that sticks in my mind (though it's not an EV) took place a few > years ago in the UK. A person was convicted of murder on the evidence > from > his car's computer. He had parked the car in the area where a body was > found. The car had logged - and told the server - that he'd also opened > and > closed the boot (trunk). > > Now you might say "Well, sure. He was a bad guy. He should have been > busted." And that might be true, though the car log is purely > circumstantial evidence. But there are many less legitimate things that > people with authority can do with such data. I don't know about you, but > I > don't trust them to not abuse it. > > Maybe you're also thinking, "They can look at everything I do; I don't > care. > My life is boring. I have nothing to hide." > > Edward Snowden once said, "Arguing that you don't care about the right to > privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different from saying that > you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." > > Sorry for the somewhat off topic rant. > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > I see a set of solutions but I don't know what problems they exist > to solve other than "How can we use these to absorb all this spare > money that's washing around?" > > -- Brian Eno on Cryptocurrency and NFTs > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230621/65b4cb8b/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
