No using the existing supercharging protocol that Tesla uses on all it's existing fleet, the CAR CONTROLS THE SUPERCHARGER, not the other way around. All authentication/billing is handled on the CAR SIDE. The literally is ZERO AUTHENTICATION on the supercharger.
If you don't pay your bill, the CAR is what refuses to let you charge. There is no VIN list, there is no back-end comms needed, and this is one of the main reasons the superchargers have been so reliable. Most do have a cell connection to a back end for logging/status, and this is in-turn sent to the cars so you can see stall availability at each site, but it's not always working. Some superchargers in remote locations do not have cell, and thus do not show up with status on your in-car supercharging map. The car can also log data from the supercharger and cache it for later upload when the car gets back into cell range. When Tesla disables supercharging on salvage cars, they reach INTO THE CAR and modify the option in the car's configuration which lives in the security gateway. I have reversed this chage and restored the factory config on thousands of salvage Teslas all over the world, which still happily supercharge. (I then lock Tesla out from making further changes to the config) This is technically illegal on Tesla's part, as they are accessing a computer they have no rights to. Once I make the change and restore the config, on cars with paid supercharging, they get billed by Tesla just like any other car. I do not interrupt the billing comms, so it's all still perfectly legal, no theft of service. On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM John Lussmyer <cou...@casadelgato.com> wrote: > Note that I was talking in terms of a Ford supplied adapter, with a Ford > supplied phone app. > I sincerely doubt that each SuperCharger has an up to date list of every > VIN that Tesla ever produced. So, they MUST talk back to the Tesla servers > to validate the VIN. This means that Ford - who is going to be using the > Tesla Supercharger API with their system, is likely to be able to make this > work. Even if the existing CCS communications doesn't include a VIN (or > equivalent ID), the fact it's being used with a Ford supplied adapter and > phone app, means that the specific car owner can be identified for billing. > > I did NOT say that any random person on the street can make their own CCS > adapter to make it work. > On 6/21/2023 10:23 AM, (-Phil-) wrote: > > No, but there is no way to bill it. Tesla handles billing on SWCAN > supercharger protocol by VIN, the car controls the supercharger, there is > no back-end auth. So the only technical way to build such an adapter > would be to spoof a Tesla, and "steal" the power, which is theft of > service, and probably access device fraud (I am not an attorney), which > carries a 10 year sentence. > > On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 10:16 AM John Lussmyer via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > >> So, you are saying that it's technically impossible to build a CCS >> adapter that can translate the CCS standard communications to whatever >> the current Tesla super chargers have. i.e. Ford Lied about it. >> it is physically impossible, even if you have the Ford app that will >> work with Tesla superchargers, and it tells the system that using a >> special Ford Custom CCS adapter is ok, that it can't ever work. >> >> On 6/21/2023 8:51 AM, (-Phil-) wrote: >> > The broken record continues: >> > >> > Only the superchargers that support CCS signalling native (V4) or the >> > two (so far) V3 retrofitted with Magic dock will be able to be used by >> > 3rd party EVs, adapter or not! >> > >> > It's all right there at 4.5.1 in the "official" Tesla document: >> > >> https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/HXVNIC_North_American_Charging_Standard_Technical_Specification_TS-0023666_HFTPKZ.pdf?xseo=&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22North-American-Charging-Standard-Technical-Specification-TS-0023666.pdf%22 >> > < >> https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/HXVNIC_North_American_Charging_Standard_Technical_Specification_TS-0023666_HFTPKZ.pdf?xseo=&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22North-American-Charging-Standard-Technical-Specification-TS-0023666.pdf%22 >> > >> > >> > It's the first link; "Technical Specification" on this page: >> > https://www.tesla.com/support/charging-product-guides#NACS-resources >> > >> > It specifies "For DC charging, communication between the EV and EVSE >> > shall be power line communication over the control pilot line as >> > depicted in DIN 70121.", which is NOT supported by current V1, V2, and >> > V3 superchargers all over North America. In addition, the location >> > and length of Tesla's whips are not able to reach almost any other EV >> > without it blocking multiple parking spots. >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230621/6aa8691e/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
