What? Hydrogen is NOT an alternative to Nuclear! Hydrogen is a STORAGE MEDIUM, not an energy source! Just like a battery pack, something needs to charge it (generate the hydrogen).
Not to get too far off base, but Nuclear does not really have a waste problem compared to fossil. It's also massively safer (killed less people). In fact, your average coal plant puts an order of magnitude more radioactive waste into the environment than a same sized coal plant! On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 10:56 AM 63urban via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > Hydrogen is an alternative to nuclear and more technology will be > developed. Not a fan of nuclear for its danger and its waste.NickSent from > my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. > -------- Original message --------From: Michael Ross via EV < > ev@lists.evdl.org> Date: 2023-11-06 1:41 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Electric > Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Michael Ross < > michael.e.r...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success. I > note a couple things about Zeihan's POV: He is talking about > globaldefossilizing. Not mere vehicle electrification. We face the fact > that EVsare just a small part of what needs solving.If he is correct, and > his business is doing the math, we need to work onthings that have a > possibility of helping on a global scale. Much as I hatethe idea, all 7 > billion of us need nuclear solutions. There is a place forsolar and wind, > but the sun doesn't shine enough where we need it and samewith wind. We > should not waste our precious time and treasure on faultyplans.All the > comments on this thread have failed to actually understand what heis > talking about, or even watch it, seemingly.It is just arithmetic he is > presenting. What is he getting wrong?He says if you add up all the copper > in the world, how it has to get used,where more comes from, the time it > takes to ramp production, accounting forrecycling, and so on, we are in > trouble. Likewise, paladiums, tin, aluminum(take enormous amounts of > electricity), magnet materials, and so on, wecome up way short.None of you > out here make it your business to ferret out all the details.This is > Zeihan's business and he has research staff behind him. I recommendhis most > recent book which has a very interesting chapter on industrialmaterials. It > is short and not fleshed out fully, but I follow his logic,and don't > believe he has anything pushing him to make stuff up. He likesthe outdoors > and wants a clean environment. But, he seems certain thatmaking any headway > won't come from electrification except after manydecades, potentially a > century. If he is anywhere near correct, then weneed to reconfigure our > efforts. Now.On Sun, Nov 5, 2023, 2:19 PM Thos True via EV < > ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:> I find it difficult to believe that we are > once again being drawn into the> argument that the grid cannot support the > demand for EV's.> Society has been in this situation several times since > the early 1900's.> With each new electrical product's popularity > (televisions, refrigerators,> air conditioners, hot tubs, washers and > dryers, motorhomes, Mcmansions,> housing developments, fast food > restaurants, factories, etc), the same> fearful cry was heard. Development > of "the grid" has been ahead of demand> in the majority of markets, as > they are a business that wants to sell as> much of their products as > possible. Even when the demand levels off,> utilities are continuously > upgrading the equipment with more efficient> devices to maximize output > utilizing the same foot print ( fenced in> facilities, usually).> Most > vehicles use around the same amount of electricity per charge as> running a > dryer for a couple of cycles (how many people think twice about> doing > that?).> Just my 2 watts worth,> Tom True>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023, 5:32 PM > EV@TucsonEV via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:>> > Well, once again, it > looks like the thread has strayed from EV's into> > politics...> >> > Best > regards,> >> > Rush Dougherty> > TucsonEV> > 1014 E King St> > Tucson AZ > 85719> > 520 240 7493> > www.TucsonEV.com> >> >> >> >> > EV List Lackey > wrote -> > > "To understand the Republican party, or the Democratic party, > for that> > matter,> > it is> > > most efficient to look directly at the > clients -- or as political> > scientist> > Thomas> > > Ferguson would call > them, the 'major investors.'> > > On that level, the ideological > contradictions are unimportant.> Political> > parties do> > > function as > mediating institutions, just not for voters."> > >> > > -- William Greider, > "Who Will Tell the People"> >> > Well, once again, it looks like the thread > has strayed from EV's into> > politics...> >> > Best regards,> >> > Rush > Dougherty> > TucsonEV> > www.TucsonEV.com> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > Address messages to > ev@lists.evdl.org> > No other addresses in TO and CC fields> > HELP: > http://www.evdl.org/help/> >> >> -------------- next part --------------> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <> > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20231105/46f5d507/attachment.htm> > >> _______________________________________________> Address messages to > ev@lists.evdl.org> No other addresses in TO and CC fields> HELP: > http://www.evdl.org/help/>>-------------- next part --------------An HTML > attachment was scrubbed...URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20231106/714c8c90/attachment.htm>_______________________________________________Address > messages to e...@lists.evdl.orgNo other addresses in TO and CC fieldsHELP: > http://www.evdl.org/help/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20231106/557fb127/attachment.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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