I guess who is to decide what is "error" and what is not. I suppose that's part of the problem. Is hitting a curb to avoid hitting a passenger an "error"? If a deer runs out in front of the car do you swerve? Suppose you decide to enter your tesla at the local demolition derby and are constantly getting boo'd?
On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 11:32:36 AM PDT, Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com> wrote: That's pretty much what i suspect: that while you are driving, you are teaching the system. Not the one in your car, but the global corporate one. The question i have is, how does the "decider" know when the driver is correct versus the algorithm ? In others words, what keeps it from learning human error ? I'll add: something that results in an accident or hard breaking would be easy to filter out. But what about swerving to avoid a sharp object when the camera might have thought it harmless to the tires ? Peri From: Lawrence Winiarski via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 18:45 To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Lawrence Winiarski; EV List Lackey Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments As I understand AI "Training" (and I'm pretty much an idiot here) you have a given neural net which is initially filled with hundreds of GB random data, then you run input data through itand get the result. So I guess you input a picture of a "bicycle" and it spits out "doggie", and you say "bad computer", here is how you adjust your net values to becloser to the result "bicycle". And you do this over and over and over and over and it amazingly gradually starts to work which shows like von neumann's elephant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann%27s_elephantExcept instead of 4 free parameters, you literally have 1 trillion. So following this line of thought, while you are driving your Tesla, the neuralnet could be taking in the data and "learning" from you by "watching" you drive. So, I guess this would be the natural way it would "learn" So I suppose that they wouldn't necessarilyneed to be "selling" the data as they could be internally using it to improve their own AI. The stupid "captcha" thing just annoyed me when I figured it out (click on all the squares with a bicycle) because it was presented as a way to defeat AI when in hindsight it was obviouslybeing used to "train" AI and the sociopaths were wasting millions of man hours of innocent people to get what they wanted for free. Anyway, I suppose some people don't mind and they welcome their new Tesla overlords, but I'm starting to question why they seem to be masking their true motivations. If I'm starting to sound like some sort of conspiracy theorist, just ignore me. On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 03:57:39 AM PDT, EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: On 2 May 2024 at 5:19, Lawrence Winiarski via EV wrote:> I honestly could care less about self driving and have absolutely no > desire to be an expendable human guinea pig.(as for other guinea > pigs...did you know this? "Select all the squares that have a > traffic light".....I should have known better. Funny you should mention > that."Elon Musk wants to turn Tesla´s fleet into AWS for AI - would it work? > / `That´s 100 gigawatts of inference compute, distributed all around the world,´ Musk said. "https://www.theverge.com/24139142/elon-musk-tesla-aws-distributed-compute- network-aior https://v.gd/0Bf0yYThat this may be just Elon Musk spitballing again.PS - since when is "compute" a noun? :-\David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackeyTo reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = It is not too much to expect that our children will enjoy in their homes electrical energy too cheap to meter. -- Lewis Strauss, Atomic Energy Commission, 1954 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240502/15068ba8/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240502/d64b2232/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
