If you assume an ensemble theory, whether it be an infinite MWI or Bruno's UD in the plenitude, is it POSSIBLE to avoid God? For the purposes of this question I'll define "God" as an entity capable of creating everything that would be observed to exist in a (all possible) quantum mechanical universe. To avoid God are we back to some kind of "primitive physical" idea that there is something about the nature of reality that will forever prohibit intelligence from emulating it? That it is impossible even in theory to build a kind of "universal quantum constructor"? Or is the idea one that physics will forever prohibit intelligence from acquiring the resources necessary to achieve such a feat?
How can you have everything, but not have something capable of creating everything? If you assume for instance the UD in the plenitude (no intelligent action required), doesn't it eventually describe intelligence with access to infinite or near infinite resources capable of creating an "artificial" UD? If the answer is yes the whole debate over God seems to become a silly argument over semantics. I'll be happy to hear where I'm wrong on all this. Please be kind, I've been away from these sorts of discussions for quite a while! Danny Mayes On 3/7/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tom Caylor wrote: > I agree with the Russell quote as it stands. Unendingness is not what > gives meaning. The source of meaning is not "living forever" in time > (contrary to the trans-humanists) but is timeless. However, the quote > makes a bad assumption when it talks about losing value. The real > problem is how there can be any true objective value to love in the > first place (other than the so-called "irrefutable" first person: > "It's all about me"). Why should there be? Values are relative to people. Love is our word. We invented it to describe what we feel. Having some Platonic form of LOVE out there is superfluous. You're just making up a requirement for "the really real ding-an-sich" so that you can say God provides it. You could replace "love" with "chocolate" and "God" with "the chocolate fairy". You can claim that while the reason people like chocolate can be explained in terms of chemistry, physiology, evolutionary biology etc., only the chocolate fairy can give ultimate meaning to the chocolate eating experience. Stathis Papaioannou --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---