On Tuesday 19 June 2007 11:37:09 Torgny Tholerus wrote: > Mohsen Ravanbakhsh skrev: > >The "subjective experience" is just some sort of behaviour. You can make > > computers show the same sort of >behavior, if the computers are enough > > complicated. > > But we're not talking about 3rd person point of view. I can not see how > you reduce the subjective experience of first person to the behavior that > a third person view can evaluate! All the problem is this first person > experience. > > What you call "the subjective experience of first person" is just some > sort of behaviour. When you claim that you have "the subjective experience > of first person", I can see that you are just showing a special kind of > behaviour. You behave as if you have "the subjective experience of first > person". And it is possible for an enough complicated computer to show up > the exact same behaviour. But in the case of the computer, you can see > that there is no "subjective experience", there are just a lot of > electrical fenomena interacting with each other. > > There is no first person experience problem, because there is no first > person experience. > > -- > Torgny Tholerus
Like I said earlier, this is pure nonsense as I have proof that I have inner experience... I can't prove it to you because this is what this is all about, you can't prove 1st person pov to others. And I don't see why the fact that a computer is made of wire can't give it consciousness... there is no implication at all. Again denying the phenomena does not make it disappear... it's no explanation at all. Quentin --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
