Le 13-mai-08, à 18:27, Brian Tenneson a écrit :
> I must admit to a little hand waving. OK, maybe a lot. Actually you are not. Not necessarily so, I mean. *I* could have been wrong. Let me explain: When you said: <<Randomness implies consciousness.>> I interpreted as: "Randomness causes or produces consciousness". But UDA (the first three steps) shows that it is consciousness (or first person awareness) which causes, or produces, or makes it possible that, randommess feeling. Just think about the iterated self-duplication thought experiment. In that case randomness implies not only consciousness or at least first person apprehension. So the question is: what do you mean by "implies". Is it "material implication" like the classical logical implication, or do you mean that there is some third person ("objective") notion of randomness playing some role in the rise of consciousness. Something like that could also exist, but not at the same level of the first person indeterminacy which is a form of subjective uncertainty occurring *thanks* to the third person, objective determinacy. Also, your repeating non ending post, has made still more obscure the reason why you want a universal set. If such a set "exists" (in which set theoiry?) it should be used to cut out such infinite behavior, in some theory of meaning, not to produce them. If not, then the best "universal set" is the universal machine. It seems to me. And then you seem to distinguish awareness and consciousness, or self-awareness and self-consciousness. Am I right? What is the relevance of that distinction (and which one?) for your message? I try to get your point, You should perhaps try to write a short informal text "for the children". That could help. You could also make some economy of thought by first studying the UDA perhaps. It shows that he comp hyp put very strong constraints on the possible mind-body relationships. If you dfend a non-computationalist hyposthesis, it is ok, but even in that case the UDA can help you to learn something, I sincerely think. To be sure, I will be more and more busy, and so expect my aswers/comments/questions to be more and more delayed. I'm sorry for that. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---