Hi,

2009/8/7 Torgny Tholerus <tor...@dsv.su.se>:
>
> Bruno Marchal skrev:
>>
>> Then it is not "RITSIAR" in the sense of the discussion with David.
>> Real in the sense that "I" am real. is ambiguous.
>> Either the "I" refers to my first person, and then I have ontological
>> certainty.
>> As I said on FOR, I can conceive that I wake up and realize that
>> quark, planet, galaxies and even my body were not real. I cannot
>> conceive that I wake up and realize that my consciousness is not real.
>>
>
> When I woke up this morning, I realized that my consciousness was not
> real...

Like before... If you are a zombie, the sentence above has no
meaning... (there exists no 'I') and if you're not, either you're
deluded or you 're  lying ;)

Regards,
Quentin

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