Hi Brent,
True, but we are trying to get out of anthropocentric constrains ( I
hope!). The question is aimed at trying to drill down further into the concept
of consciousness and to see if Russell’s ideas are correct (as discussed in his
book) and those of Bruno by exploring their implications, a sort of attempt at
a reductio ad absurdum.
Onward!
Stephen
From: meekerdb
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:54 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments
On 5/18/2011 9:21 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Brent,
Interesting! If we follow this idea, that memory is not necessary for
consciousness, then consciousness does not require a persistent structure to
supervene upon. No?
Onward!
Stephen
I don't see how that follows. "Require" in what sense: logical,
nomological,...? We know that a blow to the head can interrupt consciousness
and erase memories.
Brent
From: meekerdb
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:38 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments
On 5/18/2011 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That is how meditation and dissociative drug can help you to remind the
consciousness of the "blanche machine", the consciousness of the virgin Löbian
machine. Memories only differentiate consciousness.
Are you claiming that every thought includes a memory? A memory of what?
The immediately preceding thought?
You lost me. I was pretending the contrary. I was with you on this. It is
*because* a thought (a conscious thought) does not necessarily include a memory
or a reference to previous thoughts that you can remain conscious when taking a
drug which disconnect you from all memories.
Ok. I mistook your point. I agree that memory is not necessary for
consciousness - though I think it is necessary for self-consciousness.
Brent
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