Hi Brent,
Oh you bet! Chopra and those like him have not done us any favors, but can
we truly begrudge people from making a buck of a book that is a soft version of
the ideas we are considering? Not all people are on the far right hand side of
the bell curve.
Onward!
Stephen
From: meekerdb
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:01 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments
On 5/18/2011 10:39 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
How beautifully said! This is a rediscovery of ideas that we find in many
mythological systems. We are God that forgot what we truly are.
Onward!
Stephen
Careful. Don't go all "Deepak Chopra" on us. :-)
Brent
From: Bruno Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:11 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments
On 18 May 2011, at 17:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/18/2011 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That is how meditation and dissociative drug can help you to remind
the consciousness of the "blanche machine", the consciousness of the virgin
Löbian machine. Memories only differentiate consciousness.
Are you claiming that every thought includes a memory? A memory of
what? The immediately preceding thought?
You lost me. I was pretending the contrary. I was with you on this. It is
*because* a thought (a conscious thought) does not necessarily include a memory
or a reference to previous thoughts that you can remain conscious when taking a
drug which disconnect you from all memories.
Ok. I mistook your point. I agree that memory is not necessary for
consciousness - though I think it is necessary for self-consciousness.
Mystics often distinguishes the "little ego" from the "higher self". Memory,
and, usually, many bodies and things are needed for the little ego, but I am
not sure memory is needed for the "higher self-consciousness". But this might
be a word play. It is possible that consciousness is always the same as higher
self-consciousness. In that case the (little) ego-consciousness appears when
the higher self *forgets* its status, and begin to identify itself with the
memories and the many things it believes it owns.
Bruno
What, you ask, was the beginning of it all?
And it is this ...
Existence that multiplied itself
For sheer delight of being
And plunged into numberless trillions of forms
So that it might
Find
Itself
Innumerably (Aurobindo)
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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