On Aug 28, 4:07 pm, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 28, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>
> > > Why do I have to choose between a song not existing or it being some > > kind if immaterial phantom in order to explain how one > > phenomenological text can be encoded through the patterns of other > > contexts in mutual supervenience? It's not very hard to understand. > > The same thing that makes a molecule a molecule also makes a cell a > > cell, and makes it out of molecules. That doesn't mean that a cell is > > just a bigger version of a molecule - > > Craig, > > I think it is illuminating that you admit this for a cell, but when it > comes to computers "it's just a big silicon molecule". You can't have > it both ways. I hear what you're saying, but no, there's an important difference. When we encode our programmatic texts on silicon, we get software out of it, but that isn't what the chip gets out of it. The silicon isn't becoming software in any way that would compare with molecules becoming a cell. A cell develops it's own autopoietic processes for it's own purposes, where a chip is never inspired by our human software to adopt those scripts as it's own. The chip never grows or dies or lives on it's own, it just politely hosts our texts which we have designed to piggyback on their natural molecular processes. > > > it's radically different, just > > as a song is different from a pattern of bytes in an mp3 file. > > Just because it is different doesn't give it the ability to violate > well-established theories such as the conservation of energy and > momentum. Spontaneous motion from nothing would be magic in the sense > that it violated these laws. It doesn't violate any well-established theories at all. Just like a tree is able to transport water from the roots up to the top of the tree 40 feet in the air without violating the law of gravity. The motion isn't from nothing, it's from the tree as a whole plus the atmosphere and soil. It's sending matter deeper into the earth and higher into the air to get more water, nutrients, and sunlight. The substance monist view, if applied literally, would preclude any form of life from existing, which is why it's so catastrophically misguided. > > Do you not believe in the conservation of momentum? > I try not to believe anything, but I do assume the validity of every conventionally accepted law and principle of science. My view now only differs in that I have a different interpretation of the topology of electromagnetism, the consequences of which cascade into re- interpretations of cosmology, psychology, and philosophy. Craig PS - Someone mentioned "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" to me today. Are you familiar with agnosia? Is that evidence that partial zombies conditions with absent actually exist? If not, why not? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
