On 07 Nov 2011, at 23:08, John Mikes wrote:
To Qentin: "DEATH" an excellent vaiation for immoprtality. I always
emphasize that ETERNITY is NOT a "time" indicator, can most likely
be timeless ("POOF" it is over).
To Bruno:
we wrote already about your 2c question "WHO ARE WE?" and you
answered something like "Gods".
That may be a cheap shot, but unidentifiable are both.
(Philosophical Goedelism: you cannot identify
yourself from within yourself). For sure we are not what WE think we
are.
Computer science: a consistent digital machine cannot prove to be any
consistent machine.
Computer science: if we accept Theaetetus' definition of knowledge, a
sound machine can be said to be NOT able to NOT identify herself with
something she can NOT even name.
We might perhaps be ONLY what WE think we are. Alas, we cannot know
for sure who or what WE are or do the thinking.
Bruno
John M
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
Quentin,
On 30 Oct 2011, at 23:51, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
benjayk:
On the other hand, I don't see why we would ignore immortality of
consciousness, considering that the "I" is just a psychosocial
construct/illusion anyway. We don't find an actual "I" anywhere. It
seems
very relevant to know that the actual essence of experience can
indeed
survive eternally. Why would I care whether an imagined "I"
experiences it
or not?
How would you call this, if not immortality?
Death.
Quentin,
Could you imagine making a dream where you are someone else?
Can you imagine waking up, and remembering your life as a dream, and
at the same time remembering "the" previous life?
I think we can dissociate from memories. I think we can identifying
our identity, if I can say, with something deeper than the memories.
Memories are important, if only to avoid painful loops, and to
progress, which is the making of histories. But like bodies, it
makes sense that we own them, we are not them, I mean, not
necessarily are we them.
We might be more our possible values, than the past local
necessities. We might be more what we do with the memories than the
memories themselves, which are very contingent and local.
Perhaps we should allow ourselves thought experiences with amnesia,
and dissociation. We practice dissociation and re-association all
night, but usually we forget all of this.
Who are we?
Bruno
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