On 23 Nov 2011, at 19:17, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/23/2011 4:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
The simulation argument:
http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
If any civilization in this universe or others has reached the
point where they choose to explore consciousness (rather than or in
addition to exploring their environment) then there are super-
intelligences which may chooses to see what it is like to be you,
or any other human, or any other species. After they generate this
experience, they may integrate its memories into the larger super-
mind, and therefore there are continuations where you "become one
with god". Alternate post-singularity civilizations may maintain
individuality, in which case, any one person choosing to experience
another being's life will after experiencing that life "awaken" to
find themselves in a type of heaven or nirvana offering unlimited
freedom, from which they can come back to earth or other physical
worlds as they choose (via simulation).
Therefore, even for those that don't survive to see the human race
become a trans-humanist, omega-point civilization, and for those
that don't upload their brain, there remain paths to these other
realities. I think this can address the eternal aging implied by
many-worlds: eventually, the probability that you survive by other
means, e.g., waking up as a being in a post-singularity existence,
exceeds the probability of continued survival through certain paths
in the wave function.
Jason
Why stop there. Carrying the argument to it's natural conclusion
the above has already happened (infinitely many) times and we are
now all in the simulation of the super-intelligent beings who long
ago discovered that nirvana is too boring.
Why stop there. Carrying to its logical conclusion we are already in
all arithmetical emulation, with oracles, right here, there and now.
But that *arithmetical emulation space* is highly structured, and
diversely structured according to the points of view.
You need a theory of self-reference, and using the classical (Gödelian
one) it is illuminating to see this, in the eyes of the universal
(Turing) machine, especially the one who already know (in some precise
weak sense) that they are universal. Smullyan's degree four of self-
referencial. K4 reasonner, lost in on the island of Knight and knaves,
why? that's the fate of universal number in arithmetic, by a theorem
known as Gödel diagonalization lemma.
Addition and multiplication entails already universal dreamers. Even
universally shared dreams.
At least that is what the 'number' (or combinators, etc.) can already
explain, so why not listen to them?
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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