I suppose that the idea is reform the system to reflect a purely consequentialist or utilitarian ethic. It's partly there already, but it gets distorted a lot by ideas of purity and sacredness (to use Jonathan Haidt's terminology); like "It's just WRONG to get pleasure from drugs."

Brent

On 6/4/2012 10:55 AM, Joseph Knight wrote:
While I agree about the judicial system, any system worth having should not hinge upon metaphysical conclusions regarding free will. It's bizarre (and somewhat anti-democratic) to say that we can or should argue for/against some political issue on this basis.

The underlying assumption seems to be that the judicial system is somehow "just" in the event that we really do have free will, which is hilariously naive.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:23 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    My friend Vic Stenger has written a blog on free will, mostly in response 
to Sam Harris

    
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/victor-stenger/free-will-is-an-illusion_b_1562533.html?ref=science
    (don't bother to read the comments)

    Vic suggests dropping the term 'free will' and using the term 'autonomy' to 
refer to
    the social/legal concept of acting free of coercion.

    And Jerry Coyne has also commented.

    
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/06/04/victor-stenger-and-janna-levin-on-our-lack-of-free-will/
    (do read the comments)

    He is strictly a determinist and denies the implication of compatibilism 
that there
    some 'free will' (or autonomy) worth having.  But interestingly both he and 
Vic
    conclude that this implies we need to overhaul our judicial system, while 
Harris is
    not so sure.

    Brent
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