On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Brian Tenneson <tenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of the legal aspect, > Yes, Hitler exercised his *insert gibberish here* when he issued orders to > kill the Jews. > IF "*gibberish*" does not exist, then how can we hold criminals culpable > in that they had no choice but to commit crime? Seems unfair to punish > anyone under those circumstances. Perhaps the concept of free-will exists because people think it is unfair to punish anyone under those circumstances? > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:53 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> > while you do not *always* know what you're going to do, you know >>>> your preferences most of the time. >>>> >>> >>> And Turing proved that some of the time a computer can tell if it will >>> eventually stop or not, but not all of the time. >>> >>> > The feeling of 'free will' comes from the inability retrospectively >>>> to see all the causes; so that, out of ignorance, it seems that one could >>>> have done otherwise. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, and unlike other definitions of "free will" this one is not >>> gibberish, however when you boil it down all it's really saying is you >>> don't know what you don't know. The highest status the philosophical >>> "concept" called "free will" can aspire to is that of being right but >>> trivially circular, most of the time it's not even that, most of the time >>> it's just gibberish. >>> >> >> Aside from the philosophical concept, there is the social/legal concept >> of not coerced, referred to as exercising 'free will', which is what >> Stenger proposes just to call "autonomy". >> >> Brent >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
