On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:57 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 6/6/2012 9:30 AM, R AM wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Brian Tenneson <tenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think people make choices from among available options many times every
>> day and that is why the concept in question exists.
>
>
>  I agree that people make choices. I dont't think it is free will.
>
>  You said that people would believe that it would unfair to punish anyone
> if there were no "free will". I agree that people believe that
>
>
> If there were no "free will" of what kind? contra-causal? compatibilist?
> social/legal?
>

Contral-causal, I guess. What I'm defending is that the belief in free-will
is, in part, a social construct, useful from the social/legal point of
view, as you say. We are educated to believe it.

And even if it's not fair (another social term) it may be a useful thing
> for society to do.
>

I'm pretty convinced it is not fair. "Doing the right thing" is just a
skill, like any other (running fast, jumping, intelligence, ...), and
different people posess it to different degrees. Yet, from a social point
of view, we consider everybody to have "the same amount of free will",
excet in extreme cases (madness, drunkenness, etc). It's definitely not
fair, but on the other hand, it is difficult to see what else we could do.
It's useful for society to consider it that way.


> Brent
>
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