On 09.06.2012 20:00 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi<use...@rudnyi.ru>
On 09.06.2012 18:07 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi<use...@rudnyi.ru>
On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi<use...@rudnyi.ru>
On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following:
...
Said that, I still see a computer in front of me (or a
computer cluster at work, well I do not see it there but
rather access but I guess this does not matter). In other
words, even after having accepted your theorem, I do not
observe that the typhoon in the computer in front of me
makes me wet.
Yes so what ? you're not at the same level so you can't
expect
that... Bruno said "Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons can
make wet the relative arithmetical entities (with comp)."
Nothing special, I agree. Yet, let us imagine that we are at
the same level. Let me assume that I am in simulation. Yet,
even being in simulation, my simulated computer
?? No it will make your simulated self in the simulated computer
wet... but your simulated self in front of a simulated computer
simulating you in front of a typhoon will not... same thing you
(the 1st level simulated you) are *not* at the same level (as
the simulated simulated you).
This I do not quite understand. What does it mean simulated levels
in simulation? After all my computer is simulated and I is
simulated. Then what is difference between my computer that is
simulated and myself that is simulated? Where the difference comes
from?
You were talking about a 'you' being simulated inside a simulated
computer (so that you is one level down from a simulated you in front
of that simulated computer).
So you have:
"real" computer running a simulation.
In that simulation a universal computer is "built" and on it (the
simulated computer) a simulated being (part of the simulation at the
level where the computer has been built) run another simulation, what
is running on the simulated computer cannot affect the simulated
being (which is in front of it, if the computer is a real simulation
of a computer) but can affect simulated being running on the
simulated world of that simulated computer.
No, I have meant
a) simulated computer
b) simulated myself (but not in a)
Now I consider a) and b). This is after all some instructions executed
by some Turing machine. It seems that there is no difference. How would
you define the difference then in this case?
Evgenii
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