Having obfuscated the meaning of "God" as much as possible, let's see if we can also
fuzz-up the meaning of "believe in" - because, above all, we really really want to be able
to say "We believe in God." and we want to be able to say "You really believe in God." and
if you think you don't it is just because you don't know the real secret meaning of
"believe in" and "God".
Brent
On 9/10/2012 12:17 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the
details. Atheists are a minority.
In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern
atheism is one the most basic, new and thus, primitive religions, as I
will show here:
Seeing the development of religion where religion is repressed,
unrepressed atheism develops into personality cult, which is probably
the most basic religion. personality cult fanatics typically belive
without any doubt that his leader, for example Stalin or Kim I Sung
can write hundred of books per year about any scientific matter
In industrialized countries this form of primitive religion appears in
the rock star cult (bands of cult) in the ideologies, the political
leadership cult, the cult to famous atheistic scientists or their
precursors. There are articles about the false mitifications, not by
lay people but by scientist about the life of Darwin for example that
moves to laugh
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/feb/09/darwin.myths
To summarize, religion is part of human nature. it involves the
mitification or idealization of people that act as super-egos (in the
psychoanalitical sense) or as models of behaviour for the believer.
This is part of any healty socialization. The process of sentimental
attachment of a comunity ever involves the asumption of some myths.
For sure a nation is a form of primitive religion where the life of
the founders and their mytical history are part of the beliefs. such
religion is mixed in a "politeistic" way with other attachment to
football teams or rock groups that act as minor divinities, and
usually there is a superior level of civilizational religion, above
the nation, where the person identifies itself with a broader
comunity, such is ecologism, christianism, socialism where Al Gore,
Christ or Marx act as divinities.
The fact that these myths are based on real, historical people or in
too long dead people with no guaranteed historicity does not matter.
The only difference is that new religions have new myths and due to
the fact that they have no history, they conform to the most pure form
of religion, where the psychological process of mythopoiesis is
observable in action today.
If the mytification goes from generation to generation (if the faith
is sucessful) then the mytified historical figures become pure myths
so they become gods.
The most pure form of belief is the one where the believer does not
know that he believe. The knowledge of belief is a sophisticated or
civlized way of belief, that only exist where civilizatons are mixed.
We all believe things that are idealizations, falsifications or
mytifications. But not all myths are equal and not all myths have to
be false. There is a social capital involved in every belief: A myth
explains the reality in some way, but also is inherently good if it
make people act in common for common goals that are good for all. This
is independent from the objective truth. By intuition men can gasp how
good a myth is for him and for his fellows (that may be explained by a
"social capital instinct", from which the mythopoiesis, the production
of myths feed from).
Good and Truthful become synonyms in the mind of the man that seek a
menaning, a reason to live with others. And the man that don´t seek
meaning, either is in crisis or someone else has chosen his myhths to
believe for him time ago.
2012/9/10 Stathis Papaioannou<stath...@gmail.com>:
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Alberto G. Corona<agocor...@gmail.com> wrote:
So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few
enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of
silly idiots.
Actually, almost everyone in the history of humanity has thought that
99.99% of all religions are silly, and that they were fortuitously
born into the 0.01% that wasn't. Atheists take it a bit further and
think that 100% of all religions are silly. Agnostics, if they are
consistent, say that it is possible that the archangel gabriel
dictated the Quran to Muhammad just as it is possible that Santa Claus
and his helpers construct toys for the world's children at the North
Pole.
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Stathis Papaioannou
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