Hi Craig Weinberg 

But the universe IS created.

I  believe that Satan wrote the Koran, but not the Bible,
for the Bible asks us to love and forgive each other.  
Writing that would burn the Devil's fingers.
So the koran seems to omit the part about loving
and forgiving each other. 


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/11/2012 
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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Time: 2012-09-11, 08:52:16
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Hi Roger,

On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:36:47 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg   

The Creator is not created. So no problem. 


Why not just say The Universe is not created. So no problem? 

What does the idea of an uncreated Creator add that has any explanatory power? 
Would the idea of a Creator seem obvious if the Bible didn't exist? 

What if you found out that the Bible was actually written by people's demons 
who mixed truth with lies over centuries to cause confusion, oppression, and 
cruelty. If I were Satan, why wouldn't I tell people that I am God and make 
them write a book which causes fear, superstition, and misery (even if the cost 
is that it has some very good side effects as well)? Not to suggest that you 
doubt your faith, but logically, the idea of a Bible seems contrary to the 
purposes of a Creator who endows his creations with direct capacities to make 
sense of his creation (including themselves). Does he want us to know he exists 
or doesn't he? If so, why write a bunch of crazy ambiguous scriptures that vary 
from place to place? If not, why allow such blasphemous confusions to thrive?

Craig

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