Hey, I didn't know either until I looked it up just now. I just know that there are good and bad people everywhere, under every form of government and ideology, religion and secular category.
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:43:45 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > OK, yuh got me. > > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net <javascript:> > 9/11/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Craig Weinberg <javascript:> > *Receiver:* everything-list <javascript:> > *Time:* 2012-09-11, 10:36:50 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Re: What must the perceiver be like? > > > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:06:18 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> You're certainly welcome to your beliefs. >> >> OK, I was wrong about forgiving your neighbor, >> but I don't think that the Koran asks you to love your neighbor. >> > > "Worship Allah and join none with him (in worship); and do good to > parents, kinsfolk, orphans, the poor, the neighbor who is near of kin, the > neighbor who is stranger, the companion by your side, ... "[ Quran, chapter > 4, verse 36] > > Loving your neighbor is not about sending Valentines to strangers, it's > just about not being prejudiced. It's the timeless wisdom of the Golden > Rule - 'don't forget that other people are just like you and you are just > like them.'. It's basically a summary of Liberal Socialism. > > Craig > > >> >> Yes, I've travelled a lot. >> >> >> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >> 9/11/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >> so that everything could function." >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Craig Weinberg >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2012-09-11, 09:48:04 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: What must the perceiver be like? >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:10:46 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >>> >>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>> >>> But the universe IS created. >>> >> >> I can say that God IS created too. Here goes: God IS created. >> >> Whatever created the universe would have to also be the universe, or an >> arbitrary conceptual partition thereof. >> >> >>> >>> I believe that Satan wrote the Koran, but not the Bible, >>> >> >> Hahahaha. Well that works out nicely for you then. No cognitive bias >> there. >> >> >> >>> for the Bible asks us to love and forgive each other. >>> Writing that would burn the Devil's fingers. >>> >> >> Haha, why, because malicious predators aren't allowed to suggest that >> their prey be meek and mild? You don't think this message would come in >> handy in Bronze Age societies for establishing political order under a >> priesthood class on behalf of military leaders? Is the Devil a wolf that is >> forbidden to wear sheep's clothing? You think that the Devil could tempt >> and lie to people by announcing that he is the Devil? If I were the Devil, >> I would be most interested in recruiting priests, police, judges, teachers, >> politicians, businessmen, etc. What would be the point of tempting >> degenerate sinners who I already own? >> >> >>> So the koran seems to omit the part about loving >>> and forgiving each other. >>> >> >> Does it? I haven't read the Koran. A brief Googling reveals: >> >> >> 锟斤拷. But if you pardon and exonerate and forgive, Allah is >> Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [Qur锟�n, 64: 14] >> >> 锟�old to forgiveness, command what is right, and turn away from the >> ignorant. [Qur锟� n, 7:199] >> >> 锟斤拷 They should rather pardon and overlook. Would you not love Allah to >> forgive you? Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [Qur锟� n, 24:22] >> >> Have you traveled much Roger? I think it makes it easier to see how >> biased our minds are by default just from being in the same place around >> the same kinds of people. >> >> Craig >> >> >>> >>> >>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>> 9/11/2012 >>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >>> so that everything could function." >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> *From:* Craig Weinberg >>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>> *Time:* 2012-09-11, 08:52:16 >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: What must the perceiver be like? >>> >>> Hi Roger, >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:36:47 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>>> >>>> The Creator is not created. So no problem. >>>> >>> >>> Why not just say The Universe is not created. So no problem? >>> >>> What does the idea of an uncreated Creator add that has any explanatory >>> power? Would the idea of a Creator seem obvious if the Bible didn't exist? >>> >>> What if you found out that the Bible was actually written by people's >>> demons who mixed truth with lies over centuries to cause confusion, >>> oppression, and cruelty. If I were Satan, why wouldn't I tell people that I >>> am God and make them write a book which causes fear, superstition, and >>> misery (even if the cost is that it has some very good side effects as >>> well)? Not to suggest that you doubt your faith, but logically, the idea of >>> a Bible seems contrary to the purposes of a Creator who endows his >>> creations with direct capacities to make sense of his creation (including >>> themselves). Does he want us to know he exists or doesn't he? If so, why >>> write a bunch of crazy ambiguous scriptures that vary from place to place? >>> If not, why allow such blasphemous confusions to thrive? >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/s2L3GTGAPpgJ. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/81MGgWxT2k0J. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/bgi232s9G0AJ. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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