Hi Bruno Marchal and Stathis,
1. Only entities in spacetime physically exist, and thus can be measured and
proven.
2. Experiences exist only in the mind, not in spacetime, because
they are not extended in nature. They are subjective. Beyond spacetime.
Superphysical. Unproveable to others, but certain to oneself.
3. Numbers, being other than oneself, might possibly have experiences,
but they cannot share them with us. They can only share descriptions
of experiences, not the experiences themselves (or even if those
experiences exist).
Roger rclo...@verizon.net
10/9/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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Time: 2012-10-08, 10:19:35
Subject: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment
Hi Roger,
On 08 Oct 2012, at 16:14, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Stathis Papaioannou
>
> I would put it that mind is superphysical. Beyond spacetime.
> Supernatural as a word carries too much baggage.
With comp, the natural numbers are supernatural enough.
Bruno
>
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 10/8/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>
>
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> Time: 2012-10-08, 03:14:29
> Subject: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment
>
>
> On 08/10/2012, at 3:07 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>> Absolutely not. We know no such thing. Quite the opposite, we know
>> with relative certainty that what we understand of physics provides
>> no possibility of anything other than more physics. There is no
>> hint of any kind that these laws should lead to any such thing as
>> an 'experience' or awareness of any kind. You beg the question 100%
>> and are 100% incapable of seeing that you are doing it.
>
> Well, if it's not the laws of physics then it's something
> supernatural, isn't it?
>
>
> -- Stathis Papaioannou
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