Roger. How can L's monads be blind if they all have perception as clearly expressed in L's Monadology? Richard
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > > WHOOPS! > > My "equivalence" or "as if" princple accepting materialism/atheism > is wrong for the following reason. > > The Supreme monad (God) is absolutely needed, because > without a supreme monad, the monads are blind and don't work > properly. The Supreme Monad has a necessary, irreplaceable function, > that of reflecting the perceptions of all of the other monads in > the universe back to a given monad that guides his changes. > > So I have to take back my acceptance of materialism/atheism. > > > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/6/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Roger Clough > Receiver: Roger Clough > Time: 2012-12-06, 09:12:38 > Subject: Puppets and strings > > > > Perhaps a simple analogy might make my thinking plainer. > > L sees the world and its beings as acting like puppets with strings. > Atheism/materialism sees the world "as if" there are no strings. > > A similar analogy applies to religion. It all depends on how > you look at the world. > > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/6/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Roger Clough > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-06, 09:00:01 > Subject: A truce: if atheism/materialism is an "as if" universe > > > Hi Stephen P. King > > OK, after thinking it over, it seems there's two ways of thinking > about L's metaphysics. > > 1) (My way) The Idealist way, that being L's metaphysics as is. > > 2) (Your way) The atheist/materialist way, that being the usual > atheist/materialistc view of the universe --- as long as you > realize that strictly speaking this is not correct, but the universe > acts "as if" there's no God. I have trouble with this view > in speaking of "mental space", but I suppose you can > consider mental states to exist "as if" they are real. > L's metaphysics has no conflicts with the phenomenol > world (the physical world you see and that of science), > but L would say that strictly speaking, the phenomenol world is > not real, only its monadic representation is real. > > I have not yet worked Bruno's view into this scheme, but > a first guess is that Bruno's world is 2). > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/6/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Stephen P. King > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-05, 19:51:28 > Subject: Re: a paper on Leibnizian mathematical ideas > > > On 12/5/2012 1:01 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > L's monads have perception. > They sense the entire universe. > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > >> Hi Stephen P. King >> >> >> God isn't artificially inserted into L's metaphysics, >> it's a necessary part, because everything else (the monads) >> afre blind and passive. Just as necessary as the One is to Plato's >> metaphysics. >> >> >> >> > Hi Richard, > > Yes, the monads have an entire universe as its perception. What > distinguishes monads from each other is their 'point of view' of a universe. > One has to consider the idea of closure for a monad, my conjecture is that > the content of perception of a monad must be representable as an complete > atomic Boolean algebra. > > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
