On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:03:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Dec 2012, at 19:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:07:16 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > > Your servitor: > > > > 1) Arithmetic (comp) > > > > :) > > > > Bruno > > > > To which I add: > > > > 0) That which perceives, understands, participates, and gives rise > > to comp. > > > OK. But this is just to make things more complex for avoiding comp. >
No, it reveals that comp takes the machine that it runs on for granted. Comp doesn't need to be avoided when you realize that it isn't necessary in the first place. > You get the whole unsolved mind-body problem back. It isn't a problem, it is the fundamental symmetry of Universe. If you don't have a mind-body distinction, then you are in a non-ordinary state of consciousness which does not commute to other beings in public space. > With the CTM ( a > better name for comp), that which perceives, understands, participates > and discovers comp is explained entirely (except 1% of its > consciousness) by the only two laws: > > Kxy = x > Sxyz = xz(yz) > Laws? What are those? How do they govern? How do these formulas become perception, understanding, participation, and discovery? I know what sense is, because everything that I can experience makes some kind of sense with in some sensory experience or is itself a sensory experience. 'Two Laws' is an idea which makes intellectual sense but has no presence or effect without a participant who is in some way subject to that presence or effect. Being present and subject to an effect is sense. > > or if you prefer: > > x + 0 = x > x + (y + 1) = (x + y) + 1 > > x *0 = 0 > x*(y + 1) = x*y + x > > By adding the perceiver, we put marmalade on the (red) pill, an > unnecessary magic. > The perceiver does not have to be added, it is impossible to remove. You are looking at a blackboard in the sky and deciding that it is a doorway to a world in which actual experience comes from the idea of counting. Counting is an experience. Computing requires computers. Computers require sense. I continue to be, Craig > > I think, > > Regards, > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/oMZxsuwFfmsJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
