On 29 Dec 2012, at 11:04, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Russell Standish
2p is clearly needed for perception, as explained by Peirce.
That kind of 2p can be explained in term of 3p and 1p. I don't think
it is fundamental, and we should try to stay as simple as possible. I
do agree with Peirce, I think, but I find the notion of 2p quite non
pedagogical, and also unrelated to the use of the "you", that is the
grammatical 2p, where on the contrary 1p and 3p refers easily to
grammar.
But that's only my opinion, and it concerns only pedagogy,
Bruno
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/29/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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Subject: Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 08:29:52AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Russell Standish
>
> 2p should be a necessary part of comp, espcially if it uses
synthetic logic.
> It doesn't seem to be needed for deductive logic, however.
>
> The following equivalences should hold between comp
> and Peirce's logical categories:
>
> 3p = Thirdness or III
> 2p = Secondness or II
> 1p = Firstness or I.
>
> Comp seems to only use analytic or deductive logic,
> while Peirce's categories are epistemological (synthetic
> logic) categories, in which secondness is an integral part.
> So .
>
> Here's what Peirce has to say about his categorioes:
>
> http://www.helsinki.fi/science/commens/terms/secondness.html
>
>
> "Firstness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is,
> positively and without reference to anything else.
>
> Secondness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is,
> with respect to a second but regardless of any third.
>
> Thirdness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is,
> in bringing a second and third into relation to each other."
> (A Letter to Lady Welby, CP 8.328, 1904)"
>
Thanks for the definition, but how does that relate to 1p and 3p? I
cannot see anything in the definitions of firstness and thirdness that
relate to subjectivity and objectivity.
As I said before, I do not even know what 2p could be.
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