Hi Craig Weinberg
Whatever the Bible says.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/3/2013
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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Subject: Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:53:56 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Tsunamis and other forces of nature are themselves amoral*, but
their effects can be good (enhance life) or evil (diminish life).
Are you saying that God is powerless to change nature?
*Since God causes everything to happen, he also, although
reluctantly (the theological term is God's "permissive will")
mustl cause evil to happen as well. "I cause the rain to
fall on just as well as the unjust" says the Bible.
Crap happens. At the same time, the Bible teaches us
to appeal to God to "deliver us from evil."
If appealing to God doesn't deliver you from tsunamis, why bother?
[Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net]
1/3/2013
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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Time: 2013-01-02, 16:06:10
Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Chemotherapy Good or Evil?
Better than nothing for most people having some disease.
Worst than THC injection, plausibly for the same group of people.
Here the Evil is only in the fact that minorities hides information from the
majority, and this for the minority's interests.
This leads to harmful consequences for the majority.
Bruno
I was thinking more of how chemotherapy is ambiguous as far as it being
something which can enhance life by inevitably diminishing it, but sure, the
politics of it is an issue also.
If I had to get into a definition of good and evil I would go more toward a
political direction - senseless inequality of power tends to lead to corruption
and crime. Crime and corruption tends to lead to scapegoating or a misuse of
sense. The combination of corrupt actions and distortion of truth to cover them
up is probably as close to evil as I can think of.
Anything that causes great net suffering of people can be considered evil:
cancer, small pox, AIDS, tsunamis,... I see no reason to limit it to
social/political causes.
Do you think that viruses and tsunamis are well served by the label 'Evil'?
?? I'm not interested in serving them.
Obviously. I meant 'Do you think that it serves us to label natural phenomena
outside of our control as Evil'?
Values are human values and each person has his own - although there is a lot
of consistency. I think society and individuals are well served by labeling
some viruses and tsunamis as 'evil' because that means we should cooperate to
mitigate them. And in fact we have: We eliminated small pox. We created a
tsunami warning system. Actions I count as good.
The action of mitigating damage is good, just as the intentional neglect of
such actions are evil, but the non-human cause of the damage is neither good
nor evil. If you get an electric shock, it does not mean that voltage is evil.
Craig
Brent
Unfortunately it is the prerogative of evil that to seem so is to
be so.
--- Bertrand Russell
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