Hi Roger Clough, Nova Spivack has two linked blogs following the one I copied below in which he argues that since consciousness is not computable, something he takes for granted, then consciousness must be even more fundamental than spacetime. You might find it of interest to read all three linked articles as to me it sounded a bit like what you and even Sheldrake have been saying. In the end Nova recommends mindless meditation to experience pure consciousness. BTW my stichk is that consciousness comes from discrete compactified space that is arithmetic, in both the megaverse and in each universe. Richard
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > My understanding of Sheldrake's results suggests > to me that the universe is not like a deterministic great computer, > or if it is, the deterministic or mechanical part acts like a filter to > incline random motions to more regular ones > which Sheldrake calls habits or morphic resonances. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/3/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-02, 19:25:06 > Subject: Re: Conputer Code In String Theory Supersimetric Equations > > > Here is a lay description: > > http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/is-the-universe-a-computer-new-evidence-emerges > > Is the Universe a Computer? New Evidence Emerges. > March 22nd, 2012 > Share on twitterShare on google_plusoneShare on tumblrShare on > emailMore Sharing Services > I haven? posted in a while, but this is blog-worthy material. I?e > recently become familiar with the thinking of University of Maryland > physicist, James Gates Jr. Dr. Gates is working on a branch of physics > called supersymmetry. In the process of his work he? discovered the > presence of what appear to resemble a form of computer code, called > error correcting codes, embedded within, or resulting from, the > equations of supersymmetry that describe fundamental particles. > > You can read a non-technical description of what Dr. Gates has > discovered in this article, which I highly recommend. > > In the article, Gates asks, ?ow could we discover whether we live > inside a Matrix? One answer might be ?ry to detect the presence of > codes in the laws that describe physics.? And this is precisely what > he has done. Specifically, within the equations of supersymmetry he > has found, quite unexpectedly, what are called ?oubly-even self-dual > linear binary error-correcting block codes.? That? a long-winded > label for codes that are commonly used to remove errors in computer > transmissions, for example to correct errors in a sequence of bits > representing text that has been sent across a wire. > > Gates explains, ?his unsuspected connection suggests that these codes > may be ubiquitous in nature, and could even be embedded in the essence > of reality. If this is the case, we might have something in common > with the Matrix science-fiction films, which depict a world where > everything human being? experience is the product of a > virtual-reality-generating computer network.? > > Why are these codes hidden in the laws of fundamental particles? > ?ould it be that codes, in some deep and fundamental way, control the > structure of our reality?,? he asks. It? a good question. > > If you want to explore further, here is a Youtube video by someone who > is interested in popularizing Dr. Gates? work, containing an audio > interview that is worth hearing. Here, you can hear Gates describe the > potential significance of his discovery in layman? terms. The video > then goes on to explain how all of this might be further evidence for > Bostrom? Simulation Hypothesis (in which it is suggested that the > universe is a computer simulation). (NOTE: The video is a bit annoying > ? in particular the melodramatic soundtrack, but it? still worth > watching in order to get a quick high level overview of what this is > all about, and some of the wild implications). > > Now why does this discovery matter? Well it is more than strange and > intriguing that fundamental physics equations that describe the > universe would contain these error correcting codes. Could it mean > that the universe itself is built with error correcting codes in it, > codes that that are just like those used in computers and computer > networks? Did they emerge naturally, or are they artifacts of some > kind of intelligent design? Or do they indicate the universe literally > IS a computer? For example maybe the universe is a cellular automata > machine, or perhaps a loop quantum gravity computer. > > Digital Physics ? A New Kind of Science > The view that the universe is some kind of computer is called digital > physics ? it? a relatively new niche field within physics that may be > destined for major importance in the future. But these are still early > days. > > I?e been fascinated by the possibility that the universe is a > computer since college, when I first found out about the work of Ed > Fredkin on his theory that the universe is a cellular automaton ? for, > example, like John Conway? Game of Life algorithm (particularly this > article, excerpted from the book Three Scientists and their Gods). > > Following this interest, I ended up interning in a supercomputing lab > that was working on testing these possibilites, at MIT, with the > authors of this book on ?ellular Automata Machines.? > > Later I had the opportunity to become friends with Stephen Wolfram, > whose magnum opus, ? New Kind of Science? is the ultimate, and also > heaviest, book on this topic. > > I asked Stephen about what he thinks about this idea and he said it > is, ? bit like saying ?here? a Fibonacci sequence there; this must > be a phenomenon based on rabbits?. Error-correcting codes have a > certain mathematical structure, associated e.g. with sphere packing. > You don? have to use them to correct errors. But it? definitely an > amusing thought that one could detect the Matrix by looking for > robustification features of code. Of course, today? technology/code > rarely has these ? because our computers are already incredibly > reliable (and probably getting more so)? > > The work of Dr. Gates, is at the very least, an interesting new > development for this field. At best it might turn out to be a very > important clue about the nature of the universe, although it? very > early and purely theoretical at this point. It will be interesting to > see how this develops. > > However, I personally don? believe the universe will turn out to be a > computer or a computation. Read the next article in this series to > find out why I think Consciousness is Not a Computation. > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:32 PM, alexalex wrote: >> Hello ! HNY and sorry if this has been posted again! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvXaclRlHs >> >> http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.0051 >> >> "Doubly-even self-dual linear binary error-correcting block code," >> first invented by Claude Shannon in the 1940's, has been discovered >> embedded WITHIN the equations of superstring theory! >> >> What do you know about this? Even if supersimetry would turn out to be >> correct can you dig through the math and explain what this entails to >> a lay persons like me? >> >> Alex. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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