Hi Roger Clough, The reason for this is that a hard problem theory doesn't have to actually do anything, but a easy problem theory most certainly does. Any hard problem theory will work just fine, any at all, but the wrong easy problem theory will send a start-up company into bankruptcy. So the end result is that being a hard problem theorist is ridiculously easy but being a easy problem theorist is devilishly hard, and that's why armchair philosophers concentrate on the one and not the other. Author unknown
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Telmo Menezes > > Could be, but so far no success. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/6/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Telmo Menezes > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-06, 07:51:49 > Subject: Re: > > Hi Roger, > >> Hi Telmo Menezes >> >> Thanks. But can such biomolecular structures >> develop into a living cell ? > > > Current mainstream Biology believes that's the case. There isn't a complete > model yet, but many pieces of the puzzle are already known. The current > developmental theory is based on self-organisation processes. A cartoonish > view of it would be that proteins are building blocks with highly specific > affinities, so you can throw a bunch of them into the air and they will > self-assembly into something more complex. This model is not just > theoretical. Many cellular processes are known, and they all follow this > principle. Effective drugs based on this model have been created. > > Modelling and entire cell has not been achieved yet, as far as I know. I > know of people who are trying. The main problem seems to be that it's > terribly complex. We seem to be getting closer as available computing power > increases. Unlike generic artificial intelligence, where no amount of > computing power can make up for the fact that we don't fully understand the > first principles. > > If you don't mind a book recommendation: > http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Order-Adaptation-Builds-Complexity/dp/0201442302/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1357476298&sr=8-4&keywords=hidden+order > > This is one of the books that changed the way I see the world. It's a bit > dated but I love it. I think you might like it too, because it's essentially > applied philosophy. > > >> >> >> >> Sheldrake's morphisms all pertain to living entities. > > > I listed to a few of the videos and I can't help but like the guy. I just > think that he's wrong in claiming that we cannot explain morphogenesis > without his field. That doesn't mean that he hasn't come across phenomena > that challenge our current understandings of reality. But we have to keep a > cool mind. > >> >> >> Monads do also, except that for Leibniz, the whole >> universe is alive. > > > I have no problem with that idea. > >> >> >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> 1/5/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Telmo Menezes >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2013-01-04, 16:57:26 >> Subject: Re: Re: Rupert Sheldrake - The Morphogenetic Universe >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Telmo Menezes >>> >>> All I can find on the web is that DNA only contains instructions to make >>> various biomolecules such as proteins, RNA, etc. >> >> >> That's enough. Proteins fold into complex 3D structures with very specific >> chemical affinities. They are capable of self-assembling into specific >> macro-structures. Here's a simulation: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-dAvbl330 >> >> There's a field of biology dedicated to this: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_biology >> >>> It only works >>> on the molecular scale; the morphic fields are needed for larger >>> macrostructrures. >>> >>> >>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >>> 1/4/2013 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Telmo Menezes >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2013-01-04, 03:51:54 >>> Subject: Re: Rupert Sheldrake - The Morphogenetic Universe >>> >>> >>> Hi Roger, >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Roger Clough 爓rote: >>> >>> ?upert Sheldrake - The Morphogenetic Universe >>> >>> What is space ? ?here is no such thing as space, there are only fields, >>> ? ? which are mathematical structures. >>> >>> >>> >>> Fine. >>> ? >>> >>> What is matter ? There is no such thing as matter, because it is only a >>> field. >>> ? ? There is no such thing as mass, which is why there is no such thing >>> needed >>> ? ? as a Higgs field to form what we call mass. Hence we haven't found a >>> Higgs >>> ? ? or field. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ok. >>> ? >>> >>> What causes a foetus to grow into a baby ? Is it DNA ? Biologists agree >>> DNA does not do that. >>> >>> >>> >>> This I have a problem with. Biologists agree on no such thing and they do >>> have very compelling explanations for how morphogenesis works. As an aside, >>> I find that someone using some variation of the phrase "all scientists >>> agree" is a very bad sign. >>> >>> >>> I believe this results from an outdates view of the DNA as an inert >>> blueprint. We now know that DNA is a computer program, capable of >>> conditional execution based on inputs from the environment. Biologists call >>> these mechanisms "gene regulatory networks": >>> >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_regulatory_network >>> >>> >>> The initial?ndifferentiated?ell divides a number of times, and the >>> accumulation of cells and their interactions eventually changes the >>> environment in a way that triggers the expression of other segments of the >>> genetic code. >>> ? >>> >>> If these questions puzzle or intrigue you, you might want to watch >>> >>> Rupert Sheldrake's ?"The Morphogenetic Universe" >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dm8-OpO9oQ >>> >>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >>> 1/3/2013 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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