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[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 10:35:43 Subject: Re: the curse of materialism On 16 Jan 2013, at 11:01, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi socra...@bezeqint.net > > You want to know why nobody understands QM ? > Because QM is nonphysical, but is treated as being physical. > This might be called the curse of materialism. Newton's physics is also non physical. In fact it is even contradictory, as Newton was already well aware. The curse of (weak) materialism(*) is that such a doctrine fits so nicely with billions years of mammal/living-creature, that despite taking some distance by those who founded science (including theology), we come back to such belief all the time, but in the global picture it can be wrong, and is provably wrong or non sensical once we assume computationalism in the cognitive science. The curse of materialism is that it is a pseudo-religion. The believer in that religion does not want to realize its religious, assumed and unprovable feature. The curse, in general, is when people think that they know the truth so much that they can dismiss other opinions, or other theories. Bruno (*) (weak) materialism is the doctrine asserting that primitive matter exist, or that matter has an ontological existence (making it primitive consequently). > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/16/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: socra...@bezeqint.net > Receiver: Everything List > Time: 2013-01-15, 11:20:20 > Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. > > > Physics and Metaphysics. > > John Polkinghorne and his book ? Quantum theory?. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Polkinghorne > === . > > John Polkinghorne took epigraph for his book ? Quantum theory? > the Feynman? thought : ? I think I can safely say that > nobody understands quantum mechanics. ? > Why? > Because, he wrote: > ? ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should. > We shall see in what follows that important interpretative > issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their > eventual settlement not only physical insight but also > metaphysical decision ?. > / preface/ > ? Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved, > and these are the subject of continuing dispute? > / page 40/ > ? If the study of quantum physics teaches one anything, > it is that the world is full of surprises? > / page 87 / > ? Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take > very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory > include: . . . .? > / page 88 / > ?uantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .? > / page92 / > ? Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and > instructive phenomenon, . .? > / page 92 / > ==. > In my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing > what to understand and to solve the problems of the Universe: > ? They will demand for their eventual settlement not only > physical insight but also metaphysical decision ?. > / preface / > And, maybe, Aristotle was right separating the world and knowledge > on two parts: Physics and Metaphysics. > === . > Somebody wrote: > The science will purify the religion of the ?ross?. > I agree. > ===========. > Best wishes. > Israel Sadovnik Socratus. > ===. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
