On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> Hi Telmo, > > > On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Hi all, >> >> I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of >> "oneness with the universe", "non separation", etc. >> >> Meditation is a process of quieting the mind. One could say reducing it's >> complexity. Simpler states have more undistinguishable observer moments. >> Could it be that what's happening is that the consciousness of the >> successful meditator becomes identified with a larger set of states in the >> multi-verse? >> >> Just the sketch of an idea, sorry for the lack of rigour. >> > > It is a quite good insight. I think that something like that operates with > dissociative substance (ketamine, salvinorin, ...). Apparently, they > disconnect parts of the brain, so that the conscious part get its > complexity reduced, and that might give a "view of the multiverse" (as in > many salvia reports). > > The point of finding a (comp, or ensemble) TOE is when you get a theory > rich enough (in universes/models), but not to much, for not becoming > trivial. Then the point is that to get plural-realities, some > probabilistic interference has to play a role in the elimination of some > infinities. > > The relation is known in algebra (more equations, less solutions) and in > logic (more axioms, less models). It is related with the Galois connection. > For a long time I have this weird idea that I don't have the mathematica sophistication to correctly express. The idea aplies to History, for example. It's the notion that past event did not actually "happen" in the common sense of the word, but are just valid solutions to a system of equations that is restricted by current experience. So if we start doing an archaeological exploration we are going to find objects that are consistent with previous civilisations, but this is just a solution to the system of equations that is consistent with present reality. I'm not defending (not denying) this model of reality, but think it's an interesting thought experiment. It puts the big bang in a new light: you're just looking so far back in time that the simplest of solutions works -- everything is concentrated on a single spot of zero complexity. > > Well, meditations might be enough, perhaps. Sleep leads also to dissociate > state, simpler version of oneself, and the resulting strange "realities". > Even the idea that we are unconscious during deep sleep does not convince me. We could be conscious but without read/write access to our memories, so how would we know afterwords? But maybe we are experiencing the same level of consciousness as a bacteria. > > It is related with the idea that brains acts like filter of consciousness > (as opposed to producer of consciousness). > Aldus Huxley talks about that in "Doors of Perception", but I'm sure you know that! > > Bruno > > > > > > >> Telmo. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/> > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
