Hi Telmo Menezes There is also something called "centering prayer", which Christians such as I can do and have done at least once. It was helpful to do it in the prayer chamber of the National Cathedral.
There are various techniques of doing it. But the general idea is to focus on God or Jesus and as in TM say some short repetitive prayer, maybe just "Jesu... Jesu....Jesu...". A mantra, essentially, except that you are focusing or intendeing on Jesus -- or even better, the cross, from which all things come from and go to. Eventually you will begin to feel that in a way you and Jesus are doing it together, rather than just you. A unity, or if not that, a feeling that you are actually not doing the prayer, it is doing you. As long as you are doing it, you are not quite there (in Jesus). But success is relative. You should at least feel peace and love. ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-25, 11:22:51 Subject: Re: meditation On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: Hi Telmo, On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi all, I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of "oneness with the universe", "non separation", etc. Meditation is a process of quieting the mind. One could say reducing it's complexity. Simpler states have more undistinguishable observer moments. Could it be that what's happening is that the consciousness of the successful meditator becomes identified with a larger set of states in the multi-verse? Just the sketch of an idea, sorry for the lack of rigour. It is a quite good insight. I think that something like that operates with dissociative substance (ketamine, salvinorin, ...). Apparently, they disconnect parts of the brain, so that the conscious part get its complexity reduced, and that might give a "view of the multiverse" (as in many salvia reports). The point of finding a (comp, or ensemble) TOE is when you get a theory rich enough (in universes/models), but not to much, for not becoming trivial. Then the point is that to get plural-realities, ?ome probabilistic interference has to play a role in the elimination of some infinities. The relation is known in algebra (more equations, less solutions) and in logic (more axioms, less models). It is related with the Galois connection. For a long time I have this weird idea that I don't have the mathematica sophistication to correctly express. The idea aplies to History, for example. It's the notion that past event did not actually "happen" in the common sense of the word, but are just valid solutions to a system of equations that is restricted by current experience. So if we start doing an?rchaeological exploration we are going to find objects that are consistent with previous civilisations, but this is just a solution to the system of equations that is consistent with present reality. I'm not defending (not denying) this model of reality, but think it's an interesting thought experiment. It puts the big bang in a new light: you're just looking so far back in time that the simplest of solutions works -- everything is concentrated on a single spot of zero complexity. ? ? Well, meditations might be enough, perhaps. Sleep leads also to dissociate state, simpler version of oneself, and the resulting strange "realities". Even the idea that we are unconscious during deep sleep does not convince me. We could be conscious but without read/write access to our memories, so how would we know afterwords? But maybe we are experiencing the same level of consciousness as a bacteria. ? It is related with the idea that brains acts like filter of consciousness (as opposed to producer of consciousness). Aldus Huxley talks about that in "Doors of Perception", but I'm sure you know that! ? Bruno Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
