Bruno, You sill say interesting things even in a thread that has fallen deep in the boring hole of Reductio at Hitlerum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum 2013/1/27 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > > On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:14, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi John Clark, > > Other than Luther's ancient views on astronomy, and only with regard to > salvation or damnation, as a modern Lutheran I agree with everything > Luther said, > although I might temper down his invective, which was intended for the > Pope. > In that spirit, everything Luther said was correct and still is. > > Outside of science, true stupidity is to rely only on reason. > > > The amazing thing is that if you accept the classical theory of knowledge > (that is: > > know p -> p > know p -> know know p > know (p - > q) -> (know p -> know q) > > + the rule p/know p, + classical logic > > then we can prove that some machines (the correct and Löbian one) already > *know* that it is stupid to rely only on reason. > > There are reasons why reason is not enough. > > It is the beauty and glory of reason: it can see its own limitations. > > Machines are born with a form of necessary faith and necessary intuition. > > Bruno > > > > > Faith opens the inner eye, which science wants to blind. > So it is said that with faith, you have everything, without faith > you have nothing. > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > > *From:* Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com> > *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > *Time:* 2013-01-24, 10:48:16 > *Subject:* Re: Martin Luther on Rationality > > I though that, this was not a site for enhancing the self爀steem爋f > self-proclaimed rationalists neither an insult-you-an-infidel theraphy > group.� > > > 2013/1/24 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> > >> I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because >> Protestant "thinking" is every bit as brain dead dumb as the Pope's. Martin >> Luther knew perfectly well that religious ideas cannot survive the >> slightest amount of rational analysis without completely falling apart, but >> his solution to that problem was not to get better ideas but to simply >> insist that people check their brain at the door before they start to think >> about God; here are some of the noises that particular bipedal hominid made >> with his mouth, although I think the noises made from the other end of >> Luther's gastrointestinal tract may have contain more wisdom, at least they >> might have disclosed some evidence on how the human digestive system >> works:� >> >> 牋牋� >> 揜eason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of >> spiritual things, but - more frequently than not - struggles against the >> divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God� >> >> "Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of reason." >> >> "Reason should be destroyed in all Christians." >> >> "Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample >> underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must >> be put out of sight and know nothing but the word of God." >> >> "Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she >> is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's appointed whore; whore >> eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, >> she and her wisdom ... Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and >> she ought to be drowned in baptism... She would deserve, the wretch, to be >> banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets." >> >> "We know, on the authority of Moses, that longer than six thousand years >> the world did not exist." >> >> "People gave ear to an upstart astrologer [Copernicus] who strove to show >> that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the >> moon.� This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but >> sacred scripture tells us [Joshua 10:13] that Joshua commanded the sun to >> stand still, and not the earth." >> >> >> After this contemptible performance, after flat out praising the virtues >> of stupidity and unapologetically trying to turn everybody into imbeciles I >> don't see how anyone could call themselves a Lutheran or a Protestant or >> even a Christian without intense embarrassment. >> >> 燡ohn K Clark牋 >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Alberto. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > *DreamMail* - The first mail software supporting source tracking > www.dreammail.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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